They're gonna ban plecos!!!!!

Maybe if LFS employees would educate people in the first place, and not seel people fish that will grow too big for their tank, maybe there would beless of a problem. I think LFS's also need to educate customers on the dangers of releasing their fish into the wild.

I disagree.

Why should they take time out of their day to explain what we should already know? What ever happened to personal responsibility? We're too quick to blame someone else for something that is our fault to begin with. This is true with much more than fish and it irritates me to no end.
Lets blame the guys/gals working at the fish store for something that we didn't do.

I completely disagree with you Rallysman! They pass themselves off as authority figures and give out advice to unsuspecting newcomers to the hobby. If store employees did not give out false advice they would not be responsible. All they would have to say is I do not know. But instead they say sure you can keep 3 oscars in a ten gallon. Therefore they are at least partially at fault. I agree we should take responsibility to know this stuff ahead of time, but if I was a newbie and read AC profiles for instance I would not even have the fraction of the amount of proper information needed to make an informed decision about purchasing tropical fish.
 
both are to blame. lfs should know what they are selling and not lie telling people it will only get so big.

people do need to step up and know what they put in there tanks but a lot of people believe what the lfs says.

This is true to a certain extent, but with the resources so readily available, such as the internet and libraries, there is no need for them to even ask the people working. I'm just bitter at the moment because I'm having similar problems. People getting mad at me because of things that they should be doing. I wont get into detail and make everyone sleep, but people need to think for themselves more often.
 
I completely disagree! They pass themselves off as authority figures and give out advice to unsuspecting newcomers to the hobby. If store employees did not give out false advice they would not be responsible. All they would have to say is I do not know. But instead they say sure you can keep 3 oscars in a ten gallon. Therefore they are at least partially at fault. I agree we should take responsibility to know this stuff ahead of time, but if I was a newbie and read AC profiles for instance I would not even have the fraction of the amount of proper information needed to make an informed decision about purchasing tropical fish.


It does go both ways but I place more blame on the average lazy consumer.
 
both are to blame. lfs should know what they are selling and not lie telling people it will only get so big.

people do need to step up and know what they put in there tanks but a lot of people believe what the lfs says.


This is what I was trying to say. When an LFS employee says that a common pleco or a goldfish are good fish for a 1 gallon bowl, the person is going to believe them. Some people do not have access to computers to find information they need, so instead of going to the library, they just go and ask the LFS employee, because they assume that since they are getting paid to work with fish that they know what they are talking about, which is rarely true.
 
Another thing to consider is the people who purposely give bad advice to make a buck. They may know better, but they don't care.
 
Florida fish and game (for example) lists common plecos as invasive, but low impact fish. You can catch and release them without penalty. The more dangerous imported fish have to be killed on catch, weather you keep them or not. They also provide cooking tips for baking plecos "in the shell". They go on to say they are good game fish, and provide an exciting catch for fishermen. I don't think it's likely that plecos in general will become banned. The prolific species have already entered the areas they are capable of entering, and achieved stable populations in the local ecologies. The more exotics are far less hardy, and are outcompeted by local species.
 
I would like to distinguish between LFS's that try to educate or at least put out some good info along with their products(Dr's Foster and Smith)(although you may not always agree totally with them) from those who generally don't(you know who they are in your area). Some of the larger chains certainly have the resources to put out some good info and still make a profit if they wanted to. I am a consultant in a natural resources field and even in my field I feel an ethical responsibility to sell a product that is good for the customer as well as my pocketbook. My point being that I think pet stores have an ethical responsibility. Dogs cats etc. its not just fish.

That said, I think the frankness on this and other sites is beneficial for new people. They need to take responsibility also.
 
if they ban....I'm screwed...
 
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