This makes me mad...Advice?

i am with ASHK.. by nature i tend to be non-conformist and always down for a revolution..but i will always try the regular way fish..

tomorrow or saturday and i will report back on this on this.. i will ask to speak to the general manager at my local ******* that always has dead fish floating in the tanks.. i will give him my 46 cents about why this is wrong, why it is not safe for other fish and ask what he is going to do about it. i will always ask who in *******'s HQ is in charge of the aquatic dept... do they outsource this job or do they have in-house personnel with advanced knowledge in aquatics..

my feeling is they filled up the tanks with water... bought some fish at wholesale and so far the little kids who come in to by goldfish keep this things going.. but i see gourami's an maybe an angelfish or too in there before.. they require advance care...

as a matter of fact they messily throw potted plants in there.. never anchored to the ground.. it just get tossed around with the current hitting the fish and probably exhuasting them into sickness..

well i am doing my part here in long beach CA.. who is in for massive revolt.. :devil:
 
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To be more clear, I don't think box stores are really that evil. It's really dependent on individual stores and who maintains their animals. My local PetSmart for example is pretty cool, and ironically right up the street from the ***** doing this.
 
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AshK said:
Follow his/her lead and get active to stop fishy abuse or don't post your "advice".
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I didn't know that you were made a Moderator of this Forum!
 
DarkCrow said:
To be more clear, I don't think box stores are really that evil. It's really dependent on individual stores and who maintains their animals. My local PetSmart for example is pretty cool, and ironically right up the street from the ***** doing this.
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Well said.:iagree:
 
AshK said:
This thinking just makes me rage. Sitting on our hands and turning our cheeks has caused the hobby and big box stores to plummet to their current state. If we actually DO SOMETHING and push for regulations, abolishing and w/e else.... we can make a difference! I'm sorry, but I am NOT one of the people just content with walking away from the problem and letting it continue to exist.

The OP came here asking for advice to make a difference. Follow his/her lead and get active to stop fishy abuse or don't post your "advice".

And I meant this post to be harsh and confrontational. This hobby needs a wake up call.
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There is no need to start getting harsh and confrontation in the forum, relax and post normally...and people are free to post whatever "advice" they wish, its a free forum, its not down to you to dictate who can or cannot post..
 
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I just have to say, that in the US, there are not animal cruelty laws that apply to fish the same way they apply to dogs and cats. So of course you can call the SPCA, or Humane Society, or corporate headquarters of the store, and they could try to persuade the store to change. But they cannot take any legal action against the store, period.

For those of you who think that there should be laws against cruelty to fish that reach so far as to prevent a store from operating if they have diseased or dying fish - what are you doing about the fact that fish are raised and farmed specifically to be killed and eaten?? They can be packed like sardines in a pond and born and raised just to be killed and eaten, and that is perfectly legal. Or, you can go to your local lake or river and fish - depending on your method, possibly stabbing it in the mouth with a jagged hook - and again, this is perfectly legal and the way some people get their food. It is true that at a fish farm they will not allow fish to languish with diseases (clearly, since they are going to be food) but the fact is that they are not housed for the comfort and benefit of the fish - they are housed so that as many fish as possible can be in as small a space as possible, with them still being able to survive.

My point is, unless you are a strict vegetarian, it is hypocritical to be so incredibly angry at a store for being careless with diseased fish.

And unless the US as a country decides to either stop eating fish, or completely revamp laws related to livestock raised for food, they will not say that having diseased fish in a tank at a LFS and not doing enough to prevent the illness from spreading is illegal, but stabbing a fish in the mouth with a hook or keeping fish in equally bad conditions that will be sold for food is just fine. And BTW, I also realize it is culturally hypocritical of us to feel that eating dogs and cats is very wrong and evil but eating cows, pigs and chickens (as well as fish) is just fine and great, but that's a whole other story.

Also, because no laws exist that can force the owner of a LFS to keep fish in better conditions, better inform customers, etc., the only way we can change their practices is to try to persuade them that it is in their best interest to do so. I've read several posts on this forum of members who have thoughtfully engaged managers, owners, or executives of a LFS in discourse about selling fish, suggesting ways they could improve both their business and the health of their fish. Often, members report back there has been real change at a particular store after this. This is the best way to go about approaching them, though it surely won't work 100% of the time, getting really angry and telling them how wrong they are about everything and how horrible they are (and of course, how right you are) is just not going to get anything done for the fish.
 
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lucy42083 said:
My point is, unless you are a strict vegetarian, it is hypocritical to be so incredibly angry at a store for being careless with diseased fish.
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I understand what you're trying to express by making this statement, but I disagree that one is hypocritical for caring about the well being of pet fish simply because they're not leading a vegetarian lifestyle. People eat wild-caught fish and free range meat and chicken eggs, and I think that's a good start in trying to tackle our country's poor methods of harvesting livestock. Taking on one local pet store at a time is more manageable for a single individual, and I say whatever you can do to help any group of animals have a better quality of life is great, even if there is some inconsistency with food choices you make. I mean, you might as well say that anyone who eats cow that was raised in crowded, polluted conditions is hypocritical for wanting to rescue stray dogs and cats that might otherwise get run over by passing cars. If you think a person is hypocritical for not being a vegetarian but wanting to help animals, then why not go further and say that anyone who isn't a vegan is hypocritical as well, you know? Don't wear leather coats or boots, either.
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My local ***** has some of the most beautiful gouramis I've seen, but lately they've been getting shipments of gouramis with ich. All attempts I've made to get the owners to do something about it have been unsuccessful, they just put the gouramis in a crowded tank with healthy fish and end up killing the whole tank.

Any suggestions of something that could be done about this?
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ok folks....lets get this back on topic...The OP's post is nothing to do with vegetarian's, cats, dogs, santa, the grinch or pixie's...Lets keep it to what the thread OP posted / asked...

Thanks...
 
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i meant the spca not peta...
 
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