Time to Heal? (Snail with Hole)

I meant to ask this before.

Do you have any idea what could have caused this hole? The tank pH is at 7, so I don't think it's an acidic deterioration problem. Could this have happened just from the snail falling from the top of the glass onto the gravel (I've seen them do this a bunch of times...climb to the top of the glass and then just jump off :eek3:)
 
its possible it started small from a fall and then was eroded further. a pH of 7 is ok, but I like to buffer it up more than that for the snails. Mine is around 8. What is your hardness? what do you feed?
 
I'm not sure about the hardness. The tank is planted and for the most part plants prefer acidic water. Rather than trying to play with the pH I figured I'd just leave it alone at 7 since this is what it's at without me doing anything.

As for food, I don't feed the snails specifically but generally they munch on whatever I put in the tank for the plecos (algae wafers, zuchinni, and cucumber).

I didn't know anything about them needing calcium before this whole event, so I never made an effort to give them calcium rich veggies (e.g. spinach).
 
well the zucchini and cucumber are great for the snails. An easy thing to do to supplement calcium and buffer the water a little bit it to add wondershells or vacation feeders. The snail will graze on them ingesting calcium and it will also buffer the water. Another option is to drop a piece of cuttlebone (for birds) into the tank. Some people boil it first, its always just sunk for me. You could easilly place this out of view in a heavily planted tank and it would benefit the snails (assuming you have others). As for the guy in qt, the lower temp is good. Hopefully by having him in a low impact environment he will eat and seal over. I do think he is a good candidate for patching. I know you can use epoxy and egg shell, although I myself have never done it. I will search up some info for you should you choose to attempt it. here is a thread with pictures showing how to patch: http://www.applesnail.net/phpBB2/vi...patching&sid=1c897bf41dcb39df75b68715b2fae30b

best of luck, please keep me posted and let me know if you need any other help
 
I know a lot of people say to use an eggshell. Won't this deteriorate over time? Is that why it's a good thing to do (i.e. gives shell time to seal over and then the patch goes away)?

Also, is the idea of using wondershells or the weekend feeders more to add calcium to the water or for the snail to eat? I expected him to eat the tums tablet, which he didn't do, but if the purpose is to add calcium to the water it did dissolve. I could even grind them up a bit more so the dissolve easier.

Just trying to figure out things i can do tonight since I don't know when i'll get out to a fish store (so stranded here at school!) and I want to take action as soon as possible
 
the epoxy will seal it as well. This does give the snail time to heal from the inside while adding protection to its body tissues. Like I said, I luckily haven't had to do this as of yet with any of my snails, so I can't speak from first hand experience here.
 
ah, you have an excellent candidate for patching there.
the hole is in your snail's second whorl, which means it's not over any vital organs. the black you're seeing is his intestines. major organs reside in the first, largest whorl of the shell, and intestines take up the rest of the shell space.

first i want to say that it is crucial that you start feeding your snail. he may have developed the hole from rubbing up against a rock, burying himself in the gravel, etc, with a weak shell. the weak shell probably came about because you're not feeding him. although snails take in calcium from the water - the reason a high pH and hardness are important - much of their calcium intake comes from food. high calcium veggies like collard greens, kale, parsley, and spinach are great. these will need to be blanched or microwaved for a few seconds to soften them before you give them to the snail.

that said. the patching method is extremely simple. you'll need a raw egg and epoxy putty. be sure to use a putty, NOT a liquid. any putty labeled safe for use in water pipes or around food areas will work. i use a product called Aquamend. it can be found at most hardware stores - home depot, lowes, etc.
here's a link:
http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/aquamend.htm

The eggshell is good because it's an organic material that will deteriorate a little over time but won't kill your snail if it touches his body. It gives him time to heal up, plus it's basically pure calcium and might even help him to patch his hole.

Crack the egg and discard the innards. Place the empty shell in the microwave and microwave for 15 or 30 seconds, until it's completely dry. Take a few pieces of the shell and set them aside.
Fill a shallow bowl or plate with edges with dechlorinated water. You want the water to be only an inch deep.
Cut off a chunk of the epoxy putty stick. You won't need all of it - a piece just over one inch long should be fine. Put the rest back into a sealed container and save it in case more patching is required.
Knead the putty chunk until it is a uniform color. It should be tacky at that point. Flatten it in your hands until it is a thin sheet about twice the size of the hole. Covering more shell is better than less. Set it aside.
Remove your snail from the tank and place him on a wet towel. Poke or blow on him gently so he closes up into his shell. He will be easier to handle this way.
Take your eggshell pieces and place them over the hole. They should not be touching the snail's intestines or body - they should cover the hole completely. If they stick out a little and don't quite conform to the snail's shape, that's okay.
Now lay your epoxy piece over the eggshell pieces and smooth it over the snail's shell. You can wrap it around the spire and smooth the edges so they blend into the shell. Be sure it adheres well.
Set the snail in the bowl of water and wait for the epoxy to cure. Be sure that if he opens up, his trapdoor doesn't touch the epoxy. As soon as the epoxy is cured, you can put him back in the tank. Keep the water clean and feed him lots of veggies. He should be fine!

Good luck and keep us updated.
 
flaringshutter, i have bookmarked that post for future reference. Thanks so much! its one area i have NO experience. Excellent post
 
flaringshutter, i have bookmarked that post for future reference. Thanks so much! its one area i have NO experience. Excellent post

I hope you never have to get any experience with it! I only had to do this once, with one of my very first brigs. Now I keep putty on hand at all times, but fortunately I haven't had to use it since the brig. It's part of my snail/fish emergency kit.

Glad I could help! :)
 
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