I got these guys from 2 completely different breeders, they have already spawned, seemed to be VERY good parents.. hovered over the eggs religiously for 2 days but because of my hardwater the eggs didn't hatch. I have the pair of long fin rams that I am really trying to breed and these guys are just beating them up =( So i guess my loss if someone else's gain.. I have them listed on Aquabid here $150 obo I have more pictures if people want to see them but here are the male and the female hovering the last batch of eggs.
Female:

Male:

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Female:

Male:

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