UPS for tank??

Soulcoffr said:
The main problem with most UPSs for computers is the sine vs square wave problem. Computers have no problem taking square wave approximations of the sine wave because they run on DC current internally anyway. So the power goes through a rectifier before it leaves the power supply and goes into the vital components of your machine.

*However*, the electric motors that run your filters are highly susceptible to the square wave approximation. They may run slower than normal or have other weird effects, but mainly the problem is heat buildup. The motor will overheat when exposed to the square wave for extended periods and could lead to damage of your precious Eheim or whatever.

It shouldn't have any effect on lighting (although the ballast might choke on it, I don't know... any double Es out there?) And since your heater is just a fancy resistor, it will do just fine. Although being a resistor makes it a terrific energy drain. Picture those CF displays at the home store where they have the spiral CF vs an incandescent light on a power meter, you get the picture...

If you have a lot of tanks and are prone to outages, a generator is the way to go. Even a little putt-putt type that you run outside with extension cords would be worth the investment given how much time and money you've spent on fish and equipment.

Wow. I have no idea what you just said, but it sure sounds impressive. I actually had this idea last night and was thinking it over. A UPS will run a computer for about 10-15 mins (allegedly) so I wouldn't think it would last very long on a tank. I was considering getting one to just hook my filter and heater up to.
 
Well, take a look at the cost of UPS system that *can* handle motor loads. They are significantly more expensive.

I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be done, but I think people are looking for more of a "plug and play" option, in general. Roan, I do believe you and your husband are a bit of a special case in that you already have a backup generator and your husband has the know-how to possibly smooth out the square wave.

I think, however, that making a square wave into a sine wave is more difficult than you think. The rectifier in a computer power supply simply takes the alternating square wave (or sine wave) and either chops the troughs off the wave or flips the trough over into a crest.

Here's Wikipedia's explanation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifier

But changing a square wave into a smooth sine is a whole other animal. Ideally, the UPS would make a smooth sine in the first place, but (see price issue at start of post) that's easier said than done. The alternating current put out by the UPS must be generated from nothing, because the batteries only put out DC.

It's like those power inverters you get for your car. Most of them say not to hook up motorized equipment.
 
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Roan Art said:
Air pumps aren't going to keep the biofilter alive.

Guess we'll have to see once we start working on this ;)

Again, any success or failure we have we'll share with everyone.

Roan

True. They aren't going to do that. Although if you put the airstone in a sponge filter, it might get you by.

I'm just saying that this matter is inherently problematic.

UPS system that are cheap, are insufficient. Automatic backup generators are expensive and require expertise to install properly. Pull start generators are cheaper, but aren't automatic.

Battery airpumps are cheap, but don't keep biofilters alive, but do keep fish alive in a power emergency.

You'd think some smart cookie at one of the aquatic equipment manufacturers would come up with something...
 
chinnp said:
Wow. I have no idea what you just said, but it sure sounds impressive. I actually had this idea last night and was thinking it over. A UPS will run a computer for about 10-15 mins (allegedly) so I wouldn't think it would last very long on a tank. I was considering getting one to just hook my filter and heater up to.

Sorry about that. Basically, the bottom line is that computer UPS systems can burn out motors in short order. Or at the very least, not run your filter in the manner you expect, i.e. your filter is pumping far less water than normal and perhaps can't handle the head of water it needs to pump.

And your heater burns energy like no other, and would deplete the UPS in minutes.
 
Soulcoffr said:
True. They aren't going to do that. Although if you put the airstone in a sponge filter, it might get you by.

I'm just saying that this matter is inherently problematic.. .
Well, of COURSE it is! Now, how much fun would it be if it were easy, eh? ;)

Roan
 
Cheaper motor compatible UPS...

After a little research, it looks like the cheapest price of a UPS that will put out an actual sine-wave is around $289.99.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA750

Which is much cheaper than I've seen in the past.

Problem is, it'll still only run about 16 minutes at half load (250 watts) and only 5 minutes at full load (500W).

It would give you enough time to get a gasoline pull-start generator going. Maybe. But that's about it.

But if you have more than say, two big tanks, the cost is going to get prohibitive.
 
Roan Art said:
Well, of COURSE it is! Now, how much fun would it be if it were easy, eh? ;)

Roan

Heh. This is true. Just ask those crazy Nano-cube guys. :joke:
 
Roan Art said:
Air pumps aren't going to keep the biofilter alive.


Roan
IME this is not true. I have a 10 gallon that blew a filter, and I had to wait about 4 days till payday to go to the lfs. I just took the cartridge out, stuck an airstone into it and floated it. Water tests proved it to be efficient enough for a short term fix.
 
sumthin fishy said:
IME this is not true. I have a 10 gallon that blew a filter, and I had to wait about 4 days till payday to go to the lfs. I just took the cartridge out, stuck an airstone into it and floated it. Water tests proved it to be efficient enough for a short term fix.
You saying I could do that on 13 FW tanks, two filters each? ;)

If you only have one more two tanks, sure, but I've a lot of money invested in this dang hobby. Air pumps just aint gonna cut it.

I NEED MORE POWER!

And a geek solution. I'm a geek. Hubby is a geek. We'll think of something ;)

Roan
 
Roan Art said:
You saying I could do that on 13 FW tanks, two filters each? ;)
Well, you could! In your case it may not be the best option ;). It is an idea to consider for some of us. While I wouldnt mind being able to afford a generator, I would also like to be able to afford 13 tanks!!!! Lucky DUCK you!
 
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