Water Change Question

There are a lot of threads on this topic...I suggest looking them up. There are literally dozens of reasons we need to do water changes, whether your "levels" are "ok" or not. There are dozens of organic wastes and metals that build up that we do not, or cannot (feasibly) test for. Nitrate just happens to be a good, indicative, and easy to test for component. Also, fish excrete growth inhibiting hormones. If water is not removed to reduce these, they build up. The fish are exposed to too much of them. They are affected adversely.

Fish, unlike humans, live, eat, drink, breathe their underwater world. It (H2o) is literally absorbed throughout their entire body. As a result, many of their nutrients are taken from the water column. Water must be renewed to allow for this process.

In planted tanks, water changes reset the water parameters and allow for more accurate dosing. They also remove excess fertilizers that are not wholly consumed.

I do 50% changes weekly (or even biweekly if I feel like it - it can only help). After a water change, the fish often are more active and the cories will spawn.

As for making pleasure into work. I also like doing changes, usually. It's also probably the best opportunity to check the health of the inhabitants.

Fresh water is fresh water. If there were some way around water changes, we'd know of it. There is a reason we're all lugging buckets. There is a reason why the ichthyologists at public aquariums do water changes just like us (of course they have nice automated systems! Must be nice!).

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Here's a quote from RTR:

Enclosed biological systems build up significant levels of organics - hormones, phenols, proteins, all sorts of junk - none of which are subject to hobby testing. Ditto for all the inorganics - minerals, etc. that are added even to unsupplemented tanks via fishfood and water additions - being concentrated to levels beyond plant usage even in planted tanks. In planted and supplemented tanks, obviously the buildup - as Len mentioned - can go even faster, and play hob with controlling nutrient levels. Water changes are cheap, simple, and reset everything dissolved in the tank to lower levels. The older I get, or the more experience I have, the more I am convinced that water changes are the best single thing that I do to protect and enhance my fish and their environment.

That's from this link: http://aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33374&highlight=hormones

But please don't get this confused with the school of thought that plantbrain talks of. It's a little different for the planted tanks (and not everyone agrees on that anyway)

One more, same thing more or less:
http://aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19324&highlight=hormones

I pulled those both from the Aquatic plants section, but the principles are basically the same. I dont feel like looking for the rest. :cool:
 
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As Leopardess said, there are many threads on this subject... but I thought of something that, for me at least, settles the argument about water changes...

Using your quote:
Ayrianth said:
Man removes animals from the wild for one of three reasons (or a combination of these reasons). They are survival (food, shelter, clothing), servitude (horses, dogs, camel, etc) and pleasure.

I see no way to derive servitude or a survival from Cichlids so that leaves the pleasure option.

If you get nothing from your pet, why keep it? There is no reason to keep them just for the sheer work. Nature will care for them just fine if there is no market for them.

Substitute "Cats" or "Dogs" for "Cichlids" ... we get no servitude from cats or dogs (unless you solely get a dog to go out and get your paper every morning :) ) so since they are solely for pleasure, would you not clean it's litter box, or clean the area where your dog takes care of its business outside? Of course you'd clean it... and you most likely wouldn't wait until it stunk to take care of it! It's the same deal with a fish tank... :)

Just my $.02... not trying to stir up trouble!!! :)

~Tara
 
ewwwwwww.... just the thought of not cleaning up after your furry friends and the smell...... if we can't deal with the smell from that, what would make one think the fish could deal with their "business"........ not meaning to be directly thrown at ya Ayri, just talking hypothetically for thought ;)
 
Ayrianth said:
Orion, I agree with keeping the water as close to natural as possible. I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone. I was just questioning why. It seems that just about everyone on this site does weekly water changes and I was curious as to why if your levels are all fine.

You and Vitamin have provided legitimate answers: removing toxins that would otherwise build up and are not measured by standard test kits. Thank you.


Thats why our numbers are all fine....b/c of the weekly water changes
 
Think of Oscars, you HAVE to change the water often to keep HITH away and
for them to grow big.

As it is, people are confining them by putting them in 29 gallon tanks. Regular water changes keep them healthy. It's no fun spending 400 hard earned dollars to setup a new 55 gallon tank only to watch it do downhill.

I feel sorry for the fish when someone buys 3 or 4 of them for a 29 gallon tank.
 
My tap water that I use contains very little buffer (hardness). The pH is 7.4 out of the tap. If I let that water stay too long in a tank with no water changes or only small ones (1-2 gallon a week in a 20 gallon tank) then my pH starts to crash. I used to do 1 gallon a week but then noticed that my pH was 6 one day. So for me it is a needed to do weekly water changes.

Also my tanks are planted and I do not add much in the line of ferts (as these are smaller tanks and I don't want super growth). But replacing old water replaces trace elements that have been used up.
 
Ayrianth said:
I totally disagree with your statement that these fish are not for our comfort or pleasure.

Man removes animals from the wild for one of three reasons (or a combination of these reasons). They are survival (food, shelter, clothing), servitude (horses, dogs, camel, etc) and pleasure.

Many replied to this... and I am late getting back to the topic, but I think you missed my point. I wasn't talking about why we keep animals, I was saying that animals were not put on our earth for pure enjoyment. I fully understand why humans keep most animals, and yes - I too enjoy my fish, but I know that they are not mine just because someone wanted me to keep fish. They are mine because there is an industry behind it all... like keeping cats, dogs, etc. This is why we must take care of our animals, because in a way, they are not "ours".

Now - many might dispute why animals (such as fish) were put on this earth, according to your own beliefs and whatnot... but I do think most agree that people were eating fish as a means for survival long before we started keeping them indoors. That being the case, it goes back to what I said earlier... these are creatures that we have turned domestic and so it is our responsibility to keep them on the up and up. If it starts to become work for you, that is because it is work. Is it not work to rear your own children? How about your cats, dogs, birds, reptiles, etc.? ;)
 
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