Water problem

AndrewMack said:
well I added 4 big gold fish to the tank today and so far so good. If they make it about 4-5 more days Ill go buy my first cichlid... Is aqaurium salt required for having cichlids. The pet store was trying to sell me a big box for like 25 bucks and i didnt want to buy it if it was a scam. Its not normal salt like Instant Ocean. It says Aqua salt
i would recommend you to test your water from the tap and base your fish on that.its true that most fish will adjust to different water conditions but if you have hard water you would be better of in the long run to base your fish on that.they would happier to.like stated before don't mess with chems its to hard on your fish and will cost you money.so do a test and a profile search on fish that prefer those conditions. SAVE YOUR MONEY AND GOOD LUCK.
 
fballguy said:
You can't take the strips back?

How big is your tank? You want to have a flow rate 10x greater than the size of your aquarium. So for 20 gallons you would want 200 GPH, and so on.

And just so you know, with a UGF, you are going to have pretty high nitrates, and will need to change water just a little more often than if you had the bio wheel filter. UGFs work OK, but that's just a drawback that they have.
I would be interested in hearing your theory or seeing some proof that the use of an UGF causes your tank to have higher nitrates. Hasn't happened in the 30 years I have been using them.

Andrew..what kind of cycle did you do before adding fish? Or are you doing a fishey cycle?
 
I add Aqua safe, turned my UGF and 300gph powerhead on. my heater, let the tank set for three days running. Tested it yesturday and everything seemed fine except the Alkalinity was off a little. it said to add Buffer Up, and that just helps raise the PH a little. So i added 4 big gold fish and their doing great.
 
since you've added fish..let the cycle play out.

make sure you minitor the water parameters daily..when ammonia shows up monitor it atleast every 12 hr. be prepared to do water changes when the ammonia hits .5 then keep an eye out for nitrites.

what are your plans for the goldfish after the cycle??

what is your pH? and what cichlids were you planning on stocking?


rbishop, I would be curious also about the ugf/nitrate ..
I run rfug and ugf w/powerheads. I haven't noticed any diff in nitrates from my other tanks.
the wet/dry has some issues but it is not a big deal as it is a planted tank. nitrates in this tank run 10-20...my tap is 20.
 
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AndrewMack said:
I add Aqua safe, turned my UGF and 300gph powerhead on. my heater, let the tank set for three days running. Tested it yesturday and everything seemed fine except the Alkalinity was off a little. it said to add Buffer Up, and that just helps raise the PH a little. So i added 4 big gold fish and their doing great.
Have you read anything about cycling your tank? I would strongly suggest that you read this:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84598

You said you tested the water... What were the actual readings for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate, and pH? Also, please post what size tank this is, because if you did, I guess I missed it.

Uh, 4 big goldfish? How big? And you plan to keep these coldwater fish with your tropicals? Again, I have to wonder just how big this tank is, considering the stocking levels you are talking about.

Chances are, the goldfish will make it for a couple of days, maybe longer since they're pretty hardy... But then the toxin levels will build up and kill everything in the tank. If all you have done is run the filter for three days, the tank has not even begun to cycle.

Cycling is a natural process that will occur whether you want it to or not, the only thing you can do is take steps to make sure that the fish survive it. Piling fish into an uncycled tank is a sure way to see to it that they don't.

Please read the linked article above...
 
Well its a 45gal tank. And Im going to keep the goldfish as long as they live. Im going to either Run Jack Demspeys or a mixture of African cichlids. Not too sure yet. Might just get a few big Angelfish. Im going to save up some money and get a Jebo 400gph Canister filter that I can hide in my cabinet. So far all of my readings are perfect. I added a little Buffer up and now everything is good. Has been sense late last night.... Wish me luck. Im not getting any REAL fish untill Monday "at the earliest".
 
You keep saying that the water test results are perfect... But you never state what they actually are. Although, tap water, depending on your location, can test 0-0-0 on the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.

As long as you never add an ammonia source, it will stay that way. Fish, however, are an ammonia source. So is the food they eat, or more accurately, the food they miss that falls to the bottom.

Did you read the article on cycling? What kind of cycle did you do?

And no, turning everything on for three days does not cycle a tank. It moves water around, and that's it. Cycling, as pointed out in the fine article by R.Bishop that I linked to involves the buildup of nitrifying bacteria to deal with ammonia. It does not happen in three days, and it does not happen without a source of ammonia.

I would strongly suggest that you read the article linked, and/or do a forum search about cycling. If not, you will be throwing money away and killing fish in a toxic cesspool as the ammonia begins to spike.

Also, regarding the buffer you added.... why? Because some test strip said you needed it? Did it first ask what kind of fish you were keeping? I bet the test strip also said a pH of 7.0 is ideal. Some of the more delicate species that have special needs would die in that. Quickly. There is no one answer for ideal conditions... the best we can hope for is to keep things steady and let the fish adapt. This means working with what we have, not adding chemicals.

If you try to alter the water chemistry by using additives, your tank will become a glass box into which you pour money until either you run out of money, or all the fish die off.

By the way, you asked earlier about the salt... It's as much of a waste of money as the snake-oil chemicals are unless you are using it to treat for a specific disease. And just as bad for your fish in many cases.
 
my readings are
Amonia 0-.25
nitrate-0
nitrite -0
Hardness-120
Alkalinity-80(add buffer up is the suggestion on the bottle.)
PH 6.8
And the water hardness im not Too worried about because I was told and read that cichlids prefer a Hard water. The LFS just said that the Salt helps the fish breath and is good for their gills and the set helps kill off certain bacterias in the water
 
goldfish are REAL fish.

grrrrr.

take them back to the store before they die, read about tank size requirements (goldfish need 20-30g each), temperate fish (66-72 degrees) vs. tropical fish (74-78 degrees), cycling, water changes, compatibility (like when your cichlids start attacking the goldfish and eating their fins) and stop using chemicals!
 
rbishop said:
I would be interested in hearing your theory or seeing some proof that the use of an UGF causes your tank to have higher nitrates. Hasn't happened in the 30 years I have been using them.

It's what everybody told me when I put an UGF in my tank. So I took it out, and it was a real pain in the you-know what. Then I had to go spend the $$ to get a HOB filter instead. Are you saying that all those people who told me that are wrong and I should not have wasted my $$??? Because if that's the case I'm gonna get ticked(not at you) because money is not something I have a whole lot of.
 
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