What Am I Doing Wrong? (Very detailed)

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We have 4 aquariums currently setup; a 29 gallon long, a ten gallon, a 2 1/2 gallon fry tank, and we have just set up a 85 gallon & just started the cycling process. The problem lies with the 29 gallon, which happens to be our most mature tank (we set it up 3 months ago -1 month longer than the rest of the tanks). It seems there is an endless battle of illness that never ceases in the 29 gallon. The remainder of my tanks are healthy and never get sick. In the 29 gallon; first we had a fungus and cured it, got a external parasite infection and cured that, got ick and just got rid of that, and now I'm battling a bacterial infection and have cleared all but one fish so far.

The maintance we do to our aquariums are same techniques for every tank. Weekly 25% water changes and a 50% water change once or twice a month in the very least and always use aquarium water conditioner for all fresh water. Actually the 29 gallon has had more water changes when medication has called for it. We have kept a .3% salt level to treat the illness (we use aquarium salt). I keep a tab on all levels on the 29 gallon tank -water is a little hard, ph is typically near 7 (medication is what will make ph vary a small amount). All dangerous chemicals (ex ammonia, chlorine, nitrites) are at proper and safe levels. When the 85 gallon is ready and the fish are healthy, I plan on moving some of my fish from the 29 gallon into the 85 gallon in hopes a smaller population might cut down on illness, however I have kept to the rule of thumb to 1 inch of fish to every 1 gallon of water -subtracting the water displacement from gravel & decorations.

I am not that experienced at keeping an aquarium, what could be causing so much illness in the 29 gallon tank while the remainder of my tanks are healthy as can be? :duh:
 
THe 1 inch rule does not count for all fish. What kind of fish and how many do you have in the tank? It could be that it is overstocked and that is leading to the problems. It could also be compatibility issues and the fish are stressing which creates health issues also.
 
Also if you keep medicating in the tank, instead of medicating fish in isolation/hospital tank it is likely you are totally destroying your bacterial cycle every time and it starting over is a major stressor on your fishs immune system.
What are your levels of ammonia/nitrite/nitrate?
There really are no safe levels of ammonia or nitrite.

Kath
 
The level for Cholorine and nitrites are 0. Looking at the test results diagram, it made me realize it doesn't show ammonia. I thought it did test that, maybe I need to getting something that does then?

My tank contains:
6 neons
1 male betta
1 pair sailfin mollies
2 pair very tiny balloon mollies (1 pr orange striped, 1 pr black striped)
2 female fancy tailed guppies
1 male fancy tailed guppy
3 male koi sword tails
1 female sword tails (I had 2 but one died)
1 female common platty
1 male common platty
1 female mickey mouse blue platty
1 male red platty
1 albino bristle nosed plecko (1 inch currently)
1 cory cat (I think it's a cobra one???)
1 rainbow shark (1 inch currently)
2 ghost shrimp

The rainbow shark is moving to the 85 gallon along with the sailfin mollies and the sword tails.

I also forgot to mention that we use bio filters.
 
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Yeah get tests for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Those 3 give you a good baseline for where your tank is in the cycling process.
I am pretty sure there are sticky topics here that explain cycling to you and it's process.
I recommend you don't use test strips as they aren't generally reliable, get the liquid drop tests if possible.
Chlorine should be being removed with whatever water conditioner you are using, which do you use?

Kath
 
I use "start right" water conditioner. It does say it removes cholorine & chloramine. Also we use tap water to fill our tanks which is city water, of which the water source for our city is a river. Could this be causing the problems as well, even though we use water conditioner? But then again, my other tanks aren't having any problems.

Well, make that one less female balloon molly -she just died. She was very pregnant too so it really sucks. :sad:
 
first get readings for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate

check with your water source and see if they add any other chemicals. some add flouride. I also know of a person that has a lot if iron in their water source..you should notice weird colors in your filters if you do.
since your other tanks are not affected I doubt this would be an issue.

but the stocking list you gave..is that for the 29?

I would guess this may be pushing stocking levels..and may be why you have issues with this tank.'

fungus and bacterial infections are related to water quality issues. you may need to up the wc volume on this tank..25% once per week may not be enough with the bioload. remember plecos even the bn is a poop machine
also are you using salt with the meds? I believe in the either or method. ;)
don't mix salt and meds


try doing 2 x25% wc per week.
 
I agree, I doubt it's your tap water since you condition it and it's in other tanks without problems.
If your recycling the tank, definately could be a water condition issue as with a heavy bioload it's even tougher.
And I agree, salt and meds don't go together and 99% of the time, don't treat the entire tank, isolate and treat the fish.
So when you get the water parameters let us know and maybe some around here can be of more help.

Kath
 
There is only one other thing I can add to Stars comments. That is that often one disease leads to another. The ich can get cured but fungus or bacteria takes advantage of the fishes weakened condition and gets a foot hold. It is not surprising that one thing would follow another.
Step up the water changes, give it time. Eventually you will get ahold of this tank! (You do have lots of fish in there...)
Cathy
 
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