What dog food

Blueiz said:
The thing that needs to be remembered here is, we arent keeping wild animals. We are keeping pets that live inside and live a totally different life than any wild animal would ever lead. Protein can be found in a lot more foods than meat.

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True, we are not keeping wild animals, but if you do the research the genitic difference between a wild dog and a house dog is the same percentage (0.02%) as the different races of humans, so just as all humans need the same foods, like the food pyramid, all dogs do also.

On another note, dogs feed kibble are not as healthy (in general) as dogs feed the diet they where designed to eat, they have more hormone and steroid problems, more problems with alerges (stuff in their food), a higher rate of hip dysplasia, and cancer, and cataracts which lead to blindness. So please do not say that these dogs are as healthy as they can, or should, be. They may still live to be old but their quality of life suffers greatly.

Musho, dogs usually eat grass and leafs when they are not feeling well, the clorophyl in the plants if consumed in quanity will make them feel better, usually but not always, by causing them to vomit out what ever is causing the problem.
 
Blueiz said:
Why I do commend the raw food diet, not all can afford it, nor do they choose to do it.

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So if you recomend raw why sit here and dispute it?? And if a person is feeding their dog a quality food, and they should be, raw is generally cheaper. If one can not afford to feed a dog quality food they IMO should not have one, just like a person who can not afford to take care of fish corectly should not have them (i.e. little kids and bettas in a cup it just isn't right to the animal). If a person decides not to feed raw after knowing the facts, well I just hope it is because they feel it is best for their dog and that they have looked into all options. I use to swear by diamond (untill my vet told me my male was alergic to the chicken in it, which he eats 3 times a week with no problem now), and he switched me to nutro (he gets a kick back for this just like all vets who sell food out of the office). After the recall I started to research alternative foods, and after a lot of eewww groossss on my part decided that I wanted the best for my dogs. And have saved enough money that I went and bought some really pretty corals just this week.


P.S. Sorry for two posts in a row but multi-quote never works right for me, I'm sure it's user error.
 
First off, I am not disputing, do as YOU will, however accept that others do not, cannot. And there dogs WILL live a happy, fulfilling life without being fed a RAW diet. As well as if dry dog food, processed dog food was so bad..there would surely be more reports, scientific facts to bring to light what you claim, as well as disgruntled pet owners, and undernourished , malnourished dogs to support the claim that RAW is the only way to go, and that because dog owners feed a processed food, they are doing there beloved pets a disservice. As well as foods containg grains and veggies are trash because dogs are carnivorus and cannot, will not use anything but meat.

Honestly, I dont feel what percentage you are recommneding for dogs is enough.

Where are you going to be able to by meat from that cheap? Because there is no place you can buy meat that is of any quaity that cheap from here. All cuttings, trimmings from prime cut meats go into the ground beef at the grocer.

PPL make there own choices. I see absolutely no problem at all with feeding a dog, or cat, or any other animal for that matter with any food that is generated for them by a manufactor.

Who said i was disputing it, I am simply pointing out that your way is NOT the only way. Theres more than one way to skin a cat, including ways you may not agree with.

So..to sum it up..your post pointing out what i posted goes to show that it is thought by you that RAW is the only way to go, and it seems as if there is trouble believing anything else.

Your dog, your choice, as the pix of my dogs show posted here on AC, and stand as proof...Manufactored food is not the devil.

Blue.
 
well i see both points, and understand them, although i do think a raw diet is what wild dogs eat, there must be other alternatives. Take humans for example, im sure we used to eat raw meat, heck even studies show raw meat has more nutrients since it isnt all cooked out. But that doesnt mean we should continue eating raw meat. Cooked is just as good we have found, better taste and not as much bacteria, even if you have to lose a bit of the nutrients. Of course, dogs and humans are different and are not that easily compared.
 
I have no qualms with feeding a quality commercial food. There are some that are just not worth the money though, because they are so full of corn and artificial preservatives and colors.

I'd be willing to bet someone switching from Pedigree or a similar brand to something better that their dog would improve. You won't see it right away, but in 3+ months you should have a shinier coat, better breath, and all sorts of good stuff.
 
Blue your pics don't show the health of your dogs, there is no way to tell the condition of the dogs or how well they will age, there is more to a healthy dog than a shiny coat and some bulk, I don't understand why you appear to be the one getting all bent out of shape, as you said there is more than one way, BUT this is a forum board, to be use for discussion, and as long as this thread is open and people, like yourself, continue to try to say kibble is fine (which is your opinion) I will dispute it with my thoughts.

So...to sum things up, you feed your dog what you would like BUT IMO anyone who sits here and tells me kibble is fine, has either not done the research or just plain out does not care about their dogs and shouldn't have them.
 
At present, there is some debate as to whether domestic dogs should be classified as omnivores or carnivores, by diet. The classification in the Order Carnivora does not necessarily mean that a dog's diet must be restricted to meat; unlike an obligate carnivore, such as the cat family with its shorter small intestine, a dog is dependent on neither meat-specific protein nor a very high level of protein in order to fulfill its basic dietary requirements. Dogs are able to healthily digest a variety of foods including vegetables and grains, and in fact dogs can consume a large proportion of these in their diet. Wild canines not only eat available plants to obtain essential amino acids, but also obtain nutrients from vegetable matter from the stomach and intestinal contents of their herbivorous prey, which they usually consume. Domestic dogs can survive healthily on a reasonable and carefully designed vegetarian diet, particularly if eggs and milk products are included. Some sources suggest that a dog fed on a strict vegetarian diet may develop dilated cardiomyopathy since it lacks L-carnitine,[12] however, maintaining a balanced diet is also a factor since L-carnitine is found naturally in many nuts, seeds, beans, vegetables, fruits and whole grains. In the wild, dogs can survive on a vegetarian diet when animal prey is not available. However it has been noted, both by observation of extremely stressful conditions such as the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race and by scientific studies of similar conditions, that high-protein (approximately 40%) diets including meat help prevent damage to muscle tissue. (This research is also true for some other mammals.) This level of protein corresponds to the percentage of protein found in the wild dog's diet when prey is abundant; higher levels of protein seem to confer no added benefit.
Dogs frequently eat grass, which is a harmless activity. Explanations abound, but rationales such as that it neutralizes acid, or that eating grass might make the dog vomit, so dogs eat grass to remove unwanted substances from their stomachs, are at best educated guesses. Dogs do vomit more readily than humans, as part of their typical feeding behavior of gulping down food then regurgitating indigestible bones, fur, etc. This behavior is typical of pack feeding in the wild, where the most important thing is to get as much of the kill as possible before others consume it all. Individual domestic dogs, however, may be very "picky" eaters, in the absence of this evolutionary pressure.



article found on wikipedia.
 
jojo22 said:
Blue your pics don't show the health of your dogs, there is no way to tell the condition of the dogs or how well they will age, there is more to a healthy dog than a shiny coat and some bulk, I don't understand why you appear to be the one getting all bent out of shape, as you said there is more than one way, BUT this is a forum board, to be use for discussion, and as long as this thread is open and people, like yourself, continue to try to say kibble is fine (which is your opinion) I will dispute it with my thoughts.

So...to sum things up, you feed your dog what you would like BUT IMO anyone who sits here and tells me kibble is fine, has either not done the research or just plain out does not care about their dogs and shouldn't have them.
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Jojo..Im not getting bent out of shape..;). Tell me, my dogs are happy, active, no health problems whatsoever. My animals age ranges from 8 years of age to 6 months of age. What else is there to determine the health of my dogs? BTW, the bulk is muscle with the appropriate amount of fat to sustain my dogs. I dont like to see ribs poking out, nor dogs that look like skeletons. You are right, this is a discussion board, where everyone is free to state there thoughts and opinions, as well as post links to facts when they state information as being factual...Your whole argument is that a dog will NOT live a happy healthy life on kibble alone, that is your opinion, however there is proof out there that is only your opinion. You have every right to your opinion, and Im not going to argue with you about it.. Kibble is fine is not an opinion, its a fact proven my the millions of happy, healthy, well aged dogs that have been fed nothing but "kibble" there whole lives..:)

In order for the users question to be answered, viewing all sides of the coin, he needs to be fully informed of all options. It seems as if you are the one that cannot accept that kibble is fed as well. Seems also that you cannot accept others thoughts and opinions without disputing them..seems as if you would like your thought to be the only one out there, at least if anyone disagrees with you.

(BTW, I still havent seen any scientific data proving that pets are put in dog food after euthanasia, nor the levels of so called drugs in dog food. )

Facts and opinions are both alike in one way, you cant argue with either. ;)

Blue
 
I think it is amazing to want to feed raw meat to a domesticated animal. I wonder where all the wild dogs live that we use to prove our dogs are worse off than those wild dogs.

Kind of like wanting to match the natural environment for your angels that come out of the 7.0 breeding tanks in VA or FLA.

Most of the stuff in our prepared food can be broken down chemically to the same stuff in raw meat. And we wonder why some dogs get bad reps when we teach them to eat blood and raw meat. Amazing.

The euthansaia drug is used in many animals. Just because it is used in domesticated pets and the drug shows up in sampling, doesn't mean it got there from our parts. All insinuation and drawing a poor conclusion.
 
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