What is the best ?

Well, there seems to be no arguing here but when we're speaking of a single figure 8 puffer, that can live in a 15g tank for life or a schooling species that grows to a foot long, like the mono, that could require a 300+g tank for a school of adults, this thread can get confusing.
 
archers and mono's for sure,

golden archers are beautiful, and fantastic to watch. i'm halfway tempted to figure an outdoor setup for mine this summer. its a fish that spits water at bugs, jumps for bugs, spits at you and jumps around.

monos are my favorite fish. they are stunningly beautiful, faster than anything, and they get HUGE. they're sweet.

the tightest thing in my opinion is my moray eel. Earl's a real champ. he even bit me once.

his pattern is like a dark green with (literally) metallic gold speckels. he eats from a stick, hangs out with his mouth open etc.

i personally think puffers are boring, and they dramitically limit what you can keep with them(brackish sp) to like Other puffers. they're cute as hell, i have a DP named killer in a 10galFW.

but i think the key is an estuarian set up with variety. but i will have to donate my monos in the next few months. when i got them they were the size of a dime. now they're as big as my hand. An local lfs has a 1500gal display that im trying to get them into.

if you can get tiny mono's its totally worth keeping them for a year or two.
 
brackishguybob said:
archers and mono's for sure,
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but i think the key is an estuarian set up with variety. but i will have to donate my monos in the next few months. when i got them they were the size of a dime. now they're as big as my hand. An local lfs has a 1500gal display that im trying to get them into.

if you can get tiny mono's its totally worth keeping them for a year or two.
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just my humble opinion, but ... i wouldn't encourage anyone to get fish that they can't keep for life. if you know they'll get too big for what you'll be able to accomodate, it's kind of risky to get them thinking that when they get big, you can find them another home in a year or two... don't you think? ;) your pets are your pets, not rental cars or disposable tupperware.
 
WHY NOT?

if you're completly responsible and no way interested in making a profit, ive found it to be easy.

no more stressful for the fish than an upgrade......

the reason id suggest it is that commonly people make the mistake of buying these fish when theyre small, not realizing how friggin big they get....

also, ive had mine for two years since they were practically fry. so ive had plenty of time to make arangements for their new home.

i cant afford a 1500 gallon tank. but i know someone who can and does.

so i could have let the fish deteroriate at the LFS (Most monos dont last long at the fish stores) or give them the happiest life possible for as long as i could, and as soon as their quality of life is in question (id say june) the go to a full marine system 10Xmine

so no, thats not what i think.
 
brackishguybob said:
WHY NOT?

if you're completly responsible and no way interested in making a profit, ive found it to be easy.

no more stressful for the fish than an upgrade......

the reason id suggest it is that commonly people make the mistake of buying these fish when theyre small, not realizing how friggin big they get....

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so no, thats not what i think.
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so what you're suggesting is that someone gets them, fully KNOWING how big they get, with the plan in mind that someone else can probably be found to take them off your hands...

sorry, i'm not trying to picking on you personally, only point out that this plan doesn't fall into the definition of "responsible pet ownership." it sounds like it's working out for you and your monos, which is great, but it IS a risky proposition for most people.

i'm speaking from years of experience working with animals that someone decided to get "for a couple of years" and then couldn't take care of later on. sometimes the people knew that would happen, sometimes they had a "plan" that didn't quite work out, other times not... the stories are just as sad regardless of how they came into rescue/foster possession.
 
now this is some what of an assumption but...

i dont see how exactally you can try and lecture me about keeping 3 fish in their minimum tank req. and making adiquate plans MONTHS IN ADVANCE for them to go to a huge tank because i just know they'll be happier,

WHILE BASED ON YOUR PRIOR POSTS YOU'RE KEEPING A VIOLET GOBY IN A 10 GALLON TANK? when are you going to upgrade? you know that fish gets 2 feet + right?

im not saying go out and buy whatever fish you want. thats moronic.

Im saying if you have a 50gal + tank it'd be more than worth it to keep a couple monos for a couple years, being that you are sure that you can make accomodations for them in the future. WHICH I CAN.


sorry, i'm not trying to picking on you personally, only point out that this plan doesn't fall into the definition of "responsible pet ownership." it sounds like it's working out for you and your monos, which is great, but it IS a risky proposition for most people.
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"responsible pet ownership." WTF? :huh:

i dont see how in you years of experience you've managed to stick a VG in a ten gallon. what preperations have you made for when that fish is longer than the tank you keep it in? which will be less than a year. and that is coming from experience.:rolleyes:

and i don't think that you're picking on me. i just think you're wrong.:thm:

oh yea and BTW, its very difficult to kill a VG, given that they are kept in proper conditions.......
 
brackishguybob said:
now this is some what of an assumption but...

i dont see how exactally you can try and lecture me about keeping 3 fish in their minimum tank req. and making adiquate plans MONTHS IN ADVANCE for them to go to a huge tank because i just know they'll be happier, .......
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that's awesome and i'm glad for you and your fish. does it work out for most people? no.
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brackishguybob said:
im not saying go out and buy whatever fish you want. thats moronic.

Im saying if you have a 50gal + tank it'd be more than worth it to keep a couple monos for a couple years, being that you are sure that you can make accomodations for them in the future. WHICH I CAN.
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awesome. you can. you have. i'm not faulting you at all for what you're doing. i'm only saying it's unwise in general to buy fish that you can't accomodate beyond a year or two. have you never read any of the FAQs online, on this forum, even? they all say the same thing.

brackishguybob said:
"responsible pet ownership." WTF? :huh:

i dont see how in you years of experience you've managed to stick a VG in a ten gallon. what preperations have you made for when that fish is longer than the tank you keep it in? which will be less than a year. and that is coming from experience.:rolleyes:
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um... that little 4" fish won't grow to be longer than the tank. ever. it died. it was in a hospital tank for a reason. nowhere did i ever say that was to be its permanent home.

brackishguybob said:
and i don't think that you're picking on me. i just think you're wrong.:thm:
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wouldn't be the first time i've been wrong and you're certainly entitled to think what you want. i'm just stating my opinion for the benefit of others who may not have such an easy time finding homes for fish they KNEW would get too big when they bought them.

brackishguybob said:
oh yea and BTW, its very difficult to kill a VG, given that they are kept in proper conditions.......
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it's too bad that, since you know and care so much about them, you didn't respond to that thread when i was asking for help with that little one - you might have been able to help me save it, who knows. ironic you should bring it up now that it's too late. possible you're just one of those folks that likes to hit below the belt when someone disagrees with you.
 
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