what kind of fish is this

[Roan Art]

Sam,

That tank is too small for goldfish. ALL goldfish are messy as all get out and can grow from 6-8".

Now, do I think you could handle a Ryukin? Yes and no Yes, IF you follow peoples' recommendations here. No, if you won't or don't upgrade

1. Okay, first of all you need to decide if you want to keep those two you have or not. I don't really *know* what they are. They look like comets, but, as you said, they are French and you guys might have different categories for your goldfish. Dunno. Find out what kind of goldfish those are. I'd surf some French sites and see if you can get a positive ID.

2. If you decide to keep the two you have: they need to be upgraded to a bigger tank. They will need 45 gallons with a 90gallon filter.

3. Do NOT buy a Ryukin or any other Fancy and put them in with those two. Those look like Group 1 goldies and they will harass Group 2 and Group 3 fish to death. Ryukins are Group 2 fish.

4. Get a 30 gallon tank for ONE Ryukin. Get a filter rated up to 60+ gallons. You don't need a thermometer. If you want more than one fish, add 15 gallons onto the 30 for each fish. Double the gallons (or litres) to find out what filtering you need.
5. Buy test liquid kits. Cycle the tank. Read the sticky in the Freshwater Newbie forum on Cycling
6. Buy your Ryukin

Goldfish are great for beginners, but only if they are housed properly.

Hope this helps
Roan

 

[Slappy*McFish]

20 years I didn't know! at the store they told me they could live 3 years max

That's true if the fish are kept in poor conditions and in a tank that is too small for them. Especially goldfish bowls. The fish would be lucky to see 3 years of age. A properly kept goldfish can easily live well past 20 years...40 years+ isn't unheard of.

 

[Roan Art]

20 years I didn't know! at the store they told me they could live 3 years max

They WILL die in 3 years or less if they are not kept in a proper sized tank with appropriate filtering.

If you get the tank sizes specifed, you could enjoy your fishes for 20 years, or more!

Roan

 

[SamXXXkiss]

Sam,

That tank is too small for goldfish. ALL goldfish are messy as all get out and can grow from 6-8".

Now, do I think you could handle a Ryukin? Yes and no Yes, IF you follow peoples' recommendations here. No, if you won't or don't upgrade

1. Okay, first of all you need to decide if you want to keep those two you have or not. I don't really *know* what they are. They look like comets, but, as you said, they are French and you guys might have different categories for your goldfish. Dunno. Find out what kind of goldfish those are. I'd surf some French sites and see if you can get a positive ID.

2. If you decide to keep the two you have: they need to be upgraded to a bigger tank. They will need 45 gallons with a 90gallon filter.

3. Do NOT buy a Ryukin or any other Fancy and put them in with those two. Those look like Group 1 goldies and they will harass Group 2 and Group 3 fish to death. Ryukins are Group 2 fish.

4. Get a 30 gallon tank for ONE Ryukin. Get a filter rated up to 60+ gallons. You don't need a thermometer. If you want more than one fish, add 15 gallons onto the 30 for each fish. Double the gallons (or litres) to find out what filtering you need.
5. Buy test liquid kits. Cycle the tank. Read the sticky in the Freshwater Newbie forum on Cycling
6. Buy your Ryukin

Goldfish are great for beginners, but only if they are housed properly.

Hope this helps
Roan

I don't have the two goldfish anymore I had to give them when I moved here in USA.
Anyways your tips helped me a lot thanks Would the Ryukin be unhappy if he was the only kind of Ryukin in the tank???
If I buy a Ryukin and a 30 gallon tank can I put other fish in there that could get along with the Ryukin and that won't overcrowd the 30g tank?

Thanks

sam

 

[SamXXXkiss]

That's true if the fish are kept in poor conditions and in a tank that is too small for them. Especially goldfish bowls. The fish would be lucky to see 3 years of age. A properly kept goldfish can easily live well past 20 years...40 years+ isn't unheard of.

Ohhhh okay thanks

They WILL die in 3 years or less if they are not kept in a proper sized tank with appropriate filtering.

If you get the tank sizes specifed, you could enjoy your fishes for 20 years, or more!

Roan

wow

 

[Roan Art]

I don't have the two goldfish anymore I had to give them when I moved here in USA.
Anyways your tips helped me a lot thanks Would the Ryukin be unhappy if he was the only kind of Ryukin in the tank???

Sorry Sam, I thought you still had those goldfish. Excellent.

I'm sure your Ryukin will be fine as an only goldfish.

If I buy a Ryukin and a 30 gallon tank can I put other fish in there that could get along with the Ryukin and that won't overcrowd the 30g tank?

Here's where we get into controversy There are a lot of differing opinions on this and I'm sure someone will jump in and tell me I'm wrong.

If you do as advised and double filter the tank, you could probably have a small school of white clouds, which are coldwater fish, say 4 of them (but no less than 3 as they are schooling fish and need numbers to feel safe) and a Mystery or Ram's Horn snail or two. There aren't a lot of fish that you can put with a goldfish because of the coldwater. I think you'll find your goldfish has a LOT of personality and will make up for the lack of other fishes.

Roan

 

[Roan Art]

That's true if the fish are kept in poor conditions and in a tank that is too small for them. Especially goldfish bowls. The fish would be lucky to see 3 years of age. A properly kept goldfish can easily live well past 20 years...40 years+ isn't unheard of.

What Slappy said about 40+ is correct and there have been some instances of 70 years.

Can you imagine that? A fish that will outlive YOU I fully intend to have my son's goldfishes still alive when he is ready to go out on his own or get married. He's 4 right now

Roan

 

[SamXXXkiss]

Sorry Sam, I thought you still had those goldfish. Excellent.

I'm sure your Ryukin will be fine as an only goldfish.

Here's where we get into controversy There are a lot of differing opinions on this and I'm sure someone will jump in and tell me I'm wrong.

If you do as advised and double filter the tank, you could probably have a small school of white clouds, which are coldwater fish, say 4 of them (but no less than 3 as they are schooling fish and need numbers to feel safe) and a Mystery or Ram's Horn snail or two. There aren't a lot of fish that you can put with a goldfish because of the coldwater. I think you'll find your goldfish has a LOT of personality and will make up for the lack of other fishes.

Roan

Thanks again
Do you have an idea of the price??? 30 gallon tank, filter, 1 Ryukin, décor etc... in us dollars???

Edit: could i also put 1 or 2 cory cats in there?

Thankyou for answering all of my questions I'm verry grateful
:clap: :bowing:

 

[SamXXXkiss]

What Slappy said about 40+ is correct and there have been some instances of 70 years.

Can you imagine that? A fish that will outlive YOU I fully intend to have my son's goldfishes still alive when he is ready to go out on his own or get married. He's 4 right now

Roan

that's amazing, now that I think about it... They sell goldfish for 1 to 5 dollars and fish that can live 20 years are sold a lot more

 

[sublime1184]

I wouldn't put plecos in that tank, I think thats what you are refering to. Besides the difference in the temperature range for plecos and goldfish, plecos create a ton of waste, much more than they actually clean, and goldfish are quite the messy fish themselves. Stick with the snails, I have two ramshorns and they are awesome. Always grazing and moving around, granted its slow movement, but activity none-the-less...and probably more active than my piranha LOL.

I bought my 29g setup complete with 45 lbs of gravel but minus the stand for $100 from walmart. Then I just added a biowheel (rather than the crappy stock power filter). But like has been said, I would try for something like a 38g tank as a minimum. It sounds like you are set on the goldfish as your tank inhabitant so if that is the case, it would be better off in something like a 38g or larger.