What Would PETA Say to This?

Harlock

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Here's an article from the San Angelo Standard Times newspaper. My comments will follow in another post.

AUSTIN - State Rep. Scott Campbell doesn't want to seem like the killer of Bambi's mom; he just thinks something must be done to reduce the number of deer in Texas.

Campbell, a San Angelo Republican, has heard from frustrated farmers and angry suburbanites with damaged vehicles. Deer are becoming a menace, they've told him.

Campbell said he will introduce a bill during this legislative session to kill off some of the state's deer. He doesn't know when he will draft deer legislation or what it would entail. That would be worked out later, he said.


No one knows how many deer are in Texas, but some experts have estimated the number to be about 4 million.

''I'm not trying to eradicate the deer population; I'm just trying to get control,'' Campbell said. ''The state owns these deer, so I believe it's the responsibility of the state to get a hold of the deer population.''

Jerry Multer, manager of the Wall Co-op south of San Angelo, also said it is the state's job to do something. Multer regularly hears from cotton farmers who complain about deer ruining their crops.

''Years and years ago, we didn't have any deer problem,'' Multer said. ''Now they just multiply like rabbits.''

Multer said one cotton farmer told him recently that deer diminished his crop so much that he was losing money.

The only way to fix the problem would be to kill off a larger portion of the population, said Warren Ballard, a professor at Texas Tech University's Department of Range Wildlife and Fisheries.

Ideally, Ballard said, one deer would live on every 20 acres. Now, the ratio is closer to one deer for every five acres in some parts of Texas, he said. To some extent, that is because of improper management by hunters and landowners. Too often, hunters kill only bucks and leave the does, Ballard said.

''Most landowners are too conservative with their deer herd,'' Ballard said. ''They need to kill a pile of does.''

Not everyone sees the deer as a problem requiring state action.

John M. Burson, a Farmer's Group Insurance agent in Wichita Falls, said he has seen quite a few deer and processed his share of insurance claims after accidents with deer. He has even hit some in his car.

''I just don't see it as a problem that warrants legislation,'' he said.

Statewide, the deer population is greater than it was 50 years ago and some areas have a lot more deer than others, said Mike Berger, director of the wildlife division of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

Some areas of the state could benefit from better land management, he said.

Whenever private landowners ask, the state agency works with them to create free management programs, Berger said. The more people who understand how the eco-system works, the better off wildlife resources would be, he said. ~~~
 
Coming from a state that allows game farms, I'm not surprised the deer population is becoming a problem. States are charged with managing wildlife, but are forced to do so within the confines of land ownership restrictions, and in states with lots of private land, this becomes difficult if not impossible. To me, there are a couple of factors that should be considered. 1) If you claim crop damage but refuse to allow hunting on your property, tough luck. Your problem. 2) Eventually, the crowding will catch up with the animals in several ways. Most immediately, smaller adult size. Eventually, disease and habitat degredation will result in fewer animals surviving.
 
I happen to be someone who enjoys deer hunting. I think that may be better phrased even, by saying, I am someone who enjoys deer meat. It's nice red meat that is lean and flavorful. I am not the type of hunter that hunts for horns (read: big antlers). I would, and regularly do, pass up on bucks for a nice doe. In fact, I have only harvested one buck my entire life. It was the first deer I ever took and frankly, unless I just see some buck out there with a tree on its head, I see no reason for me to change my ways. Doe are more tender and less gamey tasting.

Now, I know some people think deer are beautiful animals. I happen to agree. There has been many a morning and night when I haven't seen the "right" deer, but have seen smaller does and bucks come into range and I've simply watched them through my binoculars. They are graceful, colorful and frankly stunning creatures to watch. Thing is, when I pull up my rifle and see that deer through my scope with the crosshairs on her neck, I no longer see that big beautiful animal. I see deer steaks and deer chili and deer-burgers. My family eats deer. I've heard so many people say their wives or kids won't eat it, but my whole family digs in. It subsidizes our grocery bill by letting us get meat inexpensively, especially given that beef prices seem to keep going up.

Anyway, I'm curious about a few things: seeing as how deer are on the rise here in Texas, and becoming a nuisance animal in many eyes, what would animal rights folks think. Secondly, while I'm outing myself, any other hunters around?
 
I've wanted to get into hunting. We have a huge elk bust on our mantle that our landlord took, and when I was young my uncles always had some sort of game on the table. I just got a really nice crossbow from my brother for x-mas and need to make use of it. I'm actually planning to put all of my unneccisary gear into storage this summer and live in the woods for 2 or 3 months. This is as good a time as any.

I think trout are beutiful creatures, so are cows, and isn't pineapple a pretty plant? that doesn't stop me from eating any of these things. I agree with some of the things animal rights people say, but PeTA?(or should I say PITA?) those guys are nuts!! They would severely chastize any and all of us on this forrum just for keeping fish as pets, no matter how much we think our fish are pampered. Go get your vennison my friend, and enjoy!!!!!
 
Another hunter here. People in my class think I'm weird for hunting, but I grew up in the country. Hunting is a everyday part of my life. When I was in high school, alot of us would have our hunting rifles and shotguns in our cars at school. That way we would head straight from school to the woods or the the field.

If I was in Texas I would gladly volunteer to help these farmers with their deer problems. People will complain about the problems that the deer make, but be unwilling to do what is needed to control the population.

Finally, I could care less what PETA thinks or says. The only PETA I care about is People Eating Tasty Animals.
 
From PETA:

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.......go figure...

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New Orleans -- Donning a chef's hat and an apron reading, "Don't Batter Me," "Gill the Fish"-PETA's 6-foot-tall anti-fishing mascot-will greet lunchtime attendees of the Aquaculture America 2000 Conference from behind his barbecue grill as he serves up his specialty-grilled "humans". "

The messege seems to be 'kill humans, not fish' ..... Just great..
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125gJoe said:
snipNew Orleans -- Donning a chef's hat and an apron reading, "Don't Batter Me," "Gill the Fish"-PETA's 6-foot-tall anti-fishing mascot-will greet lunchtime attendees of the Aquaculture America 2000 Conference from behind his barbecue grill as he serves up his specialty-grilled "humans"snip
That's the kind of extremism I was referring to. I appreciate the fact that someone may think killing the fish is bad. Guess what? I don't think it is and extremists never do anything but **** me off. I mean really, what's the point? Do people stop at an idiotic guy in a fish suit, see dolls on the grill and say, "Oh my gosh! Eating fish is bad!"?
 
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PETA...Ha! That organization makes me laugh
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Maybe PETA should go and preach to bears, sharks, and lions.
They all eat meat, and kill rather inhumanely too.
There was a demonstration at a Kosher meat packing plant 8 miles from where I live. They didn't like the way that "Kosher" meat is slaughtered. What do they think? 3,000 years of Jewish tradition are going to be dis-banded just because some vegitarian says so?

Anyways, back to the topic. In Waterloo, IA, they hire sharp-shooters annually to lower the herd population. The shooters, however, are to only kill does, no bucks, and the meat from the deer is donated to local food shelters.
The messege seems to be 'kill humans, not fish'

No, I don't think thats what it is exactly. I think that they(peta) want us to eat people! Maybe PETA should sereve "soylent green"......... :thud:
 
Whatever PETA's wants and desires really are, they sure made you all think about their issues, ergo they have a very effective campaign. IMHO, as a member of PETA, the goal is simply to make you think about what you eat and how you live, not change everyone's opinions. The pictured demonstration certainly succeeded in that, whether by reinforcing your previous opinions or redirecting them does not matter - you thought about it.

As with all organizations PETA does have an extremist movement and they get most of the press coverage, ergo you think all members of PETA are extremists. I'm willing to roll with that because that's what the media tells you; for what it's worth, not all of us are extremists.
 
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