When to euthanize?
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Want to call me an *** that's fine. But none of you answered my question - how do you know the fish wants to die? The answer, you DONT. So what gives you the right to play god and kill the fish?
I agree if the fish is truly suffering in torture it is more humane to euthanize, there are cases where after a fight the fish is ripped open/missing tails etc. But that's not the case here or in many past threads. The only thing i will take back is i didnt mean to dump it all on the OP, but more angry on the accepted general belief on this forum.
Everytime someone asks that their fish looks to be suffering, instead of asking hard questions to determine if the fish really should be killed, you have all those fish "experts" tripping over each other offering METHODS to kill the fish, without even considering if the fish deserved to die. This is one example, the OP said themselves the fish is wasting away for MONTHS, and probably will live for months too if not longer, so what gives you the right to take that away from the fish.
Again i am no peta and it's fine if you want to kill off the fish because it's weak, old, sad, not active, making the tank look bad, it's only fish after all and we have done much worse to tens of thousands of fish daily.
But dont pretend you are doing the fish a favor by killing it, because you are not. I would make the analogy to old people, but i think it's an obvious one so i will get off my soapbox now.
stay classy....
I agree if the fish is truly suffering in torture it is more humane to euthanize, there are cases where after a fight the fish is ripped open/missing tails etc. But that's not the case here or in many past threads. The only thing i will take back is i didnt mean to dump it all on the OP, but more angry on the accepted general belief on this forum.
Everytime someone asks that their fish looks to be suffering, instead of asking hard questions to determine if the fish really should be killed, you have all those fish "experts" tripping over each other offering METHODS to kill the fish, without even considering if the fish deserved to die. This is one example, the OP said themselves the fish is wasting away for MONTHS, and probably will live for months too if not longer, so what gives you the right to take that away from the fish.
Again i am no peta and it's fine if you want to kill off the fish because it's weak, old, sad, not active, making the tank look bad, it's only fish after all and we have done much worse to tens of thousands of fish daily.
But dont pretend you are doing the fish a favor by killing it, because you are not. I would make the analogy to old people, but i think it's an obvious one so i will get off my soapbox now.
stay classy....
GAGA,
We dont know that the fish wanted to die or such, but what gives him the right is that its his fish, he bought it, raised it, cared for it obviously, and loved it. I didnt see you offering any other options like adopting the fish yourself and figuring out if there was anything wrong with it. Its not right that we have to kill fish because we "think' they are suffering but it still seemed like he made a tough decision even going as far as to ask for advice on "IF" he should do it not how.
Clearly he seemed gut wrenched, whether he was is totally up to him. And yes maybe some ppl do jump the gun to kill to quickly but lets not lump every one together. Though we all have similar experiences its our choices and our feelings that makes us differnt. I do do belive you should apologize for blowing off ur steam at Blue2Fry like he is single handedly mandating the killing of fish, wake up its the real world there is alot of people killing people, let this fish fry. n
We dont know that the fish wanted to die or such, but what gives him the right is that its his fish, he bought it, raised it, cared for it obviously, and loved it. I didnt see you offering any other options like adopting the fish yourself and figuring out if there was anything wrong with it. Its not right that we have to kill fish because we "think' they are suffering but it still seemed like he made a tough decision even going as far as to ask for advice on "IF" he should do it not how.
Clearly he seemed gut wrenched, whether he was is totally up to him. And yes maybe some ppl do jump the gun to kill to quickly but lets not lump every one together. Though we all have similar experiences its our choices and our feelings that makes us differnt. I do do belive you should apologize for blowing off ur steam at Blue2Fry like he is single handedly mandating the killing of fish, wake up its the real world there is alot of people killing people, let this fish fry. n
Additionally making a decision to kill a fish IS A HARD QUESTION, and none of us claim to be experts that why we are here to lean on a community with similar experiences for everyone to help out. Its been proven that if you left tough decision up to a group as opposed to one single person the group often tends to make the better choice.
don't pretend you are doing the fish a favor by letting it die a natural death...
so if you have no problem killing the fish because it's old and weak and whatever...what exactly is the problem here? that some people are a little more anthropomorphic than you? What's wrong with saying you killed it to end it's suffering? The determination to euthanize was made based on it being weak, old, sad, not active, etc. So some people call that suffering. WHO CARES?! Are there any others phrases, terms, etc. that you would like us all to avoid saying?
"Everytime someone asks that their fish looks to be suffering, instead of asking hard questions to determine if the fish really should be killed, you have all those fish "experts" tripping over each other offering METHODS to kill the fish, without even considering if the fish deserved to die. This is one example, the OP said themselves the fish is wasting away for MONTHS, and probably will live for months too if not longer, so what gives you the right to take that away from the fish."
I'm not sure that this is an accurate view of the majority of members of this forum. There are numerous sticky notes in most of the major categories about diagnosing and treating aquatic illness. The posts on euthanasia are necessary and represent a very small slice of information on the forum. By the time a fish owner gets to the kind of post the OP has made, the hard questions have already been asked. Few of us claim to be experts-- just people with more or less experience than the others. Death is not something one "deserves" or doesn't "deserve." It happens. As to your analogy with older HUMANS, I'm glad you didn't make it. Sadly, we cannot ask our fish to fill out advanced directives, so as intelligent, compassionate owners, we have to make the decisions for them.
I'm not sure that this is an accurate view of the majority of members of this forum. There are numerous sticky notes in most of the major categories about diagnosing and treating aquatic illness. The posts on euthanasia are necessary and represent a very small slice of information on the forum. By the time a fish owner gets to the kind of post the OP has made, the hard questions have already been asked. Few of us claim to be experts-- just people with more or less experience than the others. Death is not something one "deserves" or doesn't "deserve." It happens. As to your analogy with older HUMANS, I'm glad you didn't make it. Sadly, we cannot ask our fish to fill out advanced directives, so as intelligent, compassionate owners, we have to make the decisions for them.
This is totally :topic:but,before this thread gets closed,can someone let me in,or give a link to what this is about?
Gaga you should just stop commenting now. You were stupid so get over it. Also if you were in extreme pain and there was nothing anyone could do to help would you want to be forced to die a slow death wile remembering how you used to rule the tank?
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