Why Animals Don't Have Rights
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I wish I was a fish I wish.
Animal cruelty laws are based on emotions. Why have a law designed to punish someone for using fido as a bait dog? The guy who uses fido for bait doesn't care and thus is emotionally detached but the dog lovers who believe the dog should be treated humanely want the thug punished if caught which will, to some degree, help the dog lovers feel vindicated. Punishment may help ease their outrage.
I think most people are emotionally disturbed by the thought of animal cruelty thus the laws and the push for some sort of rights. I agree though that if given a right such as "the right to be treated humanely" could be too subjective to be properly enforced. What is humane by one person could be something entirely different to someone else. Some feel a quick death of a fish by decapitation is more humane than a slower death by using clove oil. The difference between the two is who is doing the euthanasia. Some people are not squeamish so they prefer to help the fish end it's suffering quickly. Others can't handle it and prefer a less stressful (for the human) way of doing the deed. Either way the fish still dies. So who is more humane?
I think most people are emotionally disturbed by the thought of animal cruelty thus the laws and the push for some sort of rights. I agree though that if given a right such as "the right to be treated humanely" could be too subjective to be properly enforced. What is humane by one person could be something entirely different to someone else. Some feel a quick death of a fish by decapitation is more humane than a slower death by using clove oil. The difference between the two is who is doing the euthanasia. Some people are not squeamish so they prefer to help the fish end it's suffering quickly. Others can't handle it and prefer a less stressful (for the human) way of doing the deed. Either way the fish still dies. So who is more humane?
Travis you know the only reason that I keep pounding my head against your wall is because I do like you right? Do you see a difference between allowing your emotions to guide your life, and allowing your emotions to guide my life?
Yep. What I don't see is what that has to do with logic or any of my questions...
Oh boy, another "It"! lol
Wait... did you expect a big post from me that would give you a head ache?
No Travis those two posts had nothing to do with you. If you don't see what "Do you see a difference between alowing your emotions to guide your life and allowing your emotions to guide my life" has to do with the topic at hand I'm at a bit of a loss. It's the central issue of my original post and the topic at hand. This is my last try. There are certain thngs that all humans share by our very nature. If you look at my reply to Saram where I attempted to explain why laws against murder, rape and stealing aren't emotionally based., you'll see examples. These sorts of things are applicable to all humans and therefore any laws enacted apply equally to all. Laws based on emotion, as Que stated a few posts up discriminate against those who don't feel the same way as those creating the laws. I really hope this helps you understand.
I understood already. Emotionally based laws or ideals should not be forced upon another human, which is the point I think you are getting at. However, in some cases emotions of one human may be better then those of another (A sociopath or phycopath doesn't see anything wrong with murder, should they be except from those laws?) and therefore some laws should be based off of what is colelctivly agreed to be "Morally Correct". Indeed, all alws that humans have ever created have been based off of what their creators felt to be "Morally Correct".
All cultures have standards of behavior. They are not necessarily based on emotion, correct? When I teach my daughter that it is wrong to hurt animals without a need to do so, it's not about emotion. It's about ethics (which are NOT the same as emotion), and it is has to do with what I want to teach her in order for her to lead a happy, fulfilled life. It's part of the culture of my family. Larger cultures can develop shared values, and some people believe it is acceptable to enforce these values through law. I'm not saying that this is a good thing, but it is certainly something that happens regularly, and it's not about emotion.
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