Why Animals Don't Have Rights

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jetajockey said:
Just a quick counterpoint. If they had more power/tech over the animals they'd in turn likely have less respect, I don't think that they or any other less developed group of people are living symbiotically with animals for any benign purpose, they respect them because they have to for the sake of their own survival.
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exactly my point.
 
If animals did something more than taste good on a plate next to some mashed potatos and gravy, then maybe they'd have some rights...
when the day comes that Man can communicate with them then maybe they will gain some rights they currently do not have, but until then, Fire up the grill, and lets eat them!!
I'll have a Burger, AND some of that BBQ Chicken! and some ribs too!
 
Fishfriend1 said:
Whoever's strongest. In the US, that would be the majority voters. In China, the government, in religion, whatever gods they have. The strong decide the rules that all others must follow. They generally decide these rules based on what they as a culture beleive is right, or based on what the leader thinks is write. Who deices what "rights" you get, and why? What decides that you have the right to not be murdered? Emotion and sympathy, as well as a desire for self-protection, which is based off of ones love of themself, a powerful emotion. Who decides that murder is wrong and why?
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Murder is wrong because you have aright to determine your own life, and there can be no greater offense against one exercising that right than having someone take that life. No emotions necessary. I must admit that on many occasions the concept of might making right appeals to me. But then I calm down and realize that I don't have a right to dislocate every joint in some idiot's leg, just because he all but asked me to. Sadly when I was your age that wasn't the case. You still have time to get it right, but I fear the odds are getting longer. I'm still pulling for you!
 
SubRosa said:
But you will admit that this is value judgement based on your individual experience, and that the experience of others while it may be different is no less valid, yes?
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Well, to an extent. I think there is some universality in my set of values, especially that compassion leads to happiness if one's life circumstances allow an individual to be concerned with compassion. I also think it is good for the entire society if these values are encouraged. However, what I will admit is that it ought not to be forced onto others through law. In the end, my point is simply that these ideals are not based solely (or even primarily) on emotion.
 
The Zigman said:
If animals did something more than taste good on a plate next to some mashed potatos and gravy, then maybe they'd have some rights...
when the day comes that Man can communicate with them then maybe they will gain some rights they currently do not have, but until then, Fire up the grill, and lets eat them!!
I'll have a Burger, AND some of that BBQ Chicken! and some ribs too!
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when the day comes that we can communicate with them, dont be suprised when an angry mob of chickens, pigs, and cows destroy your house:)
 
The Zigman said:
If animals did something more than taste good on a plate next to some mashed potatos and gravy, then maybe they'd have some rights...
when the day comes that Man can communicate with them then maybe they will gain some rights they currently do not have, but until then, Fire up the grill, and lets eat them!!
I'll have a Burger, AND some of that BBQ Chicken! and some ribs too!
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You think cows can't communicate anything to you? You must not be listening very well.
 
jetajockey said:
Just a quick counterpoint. If they had more power/tech over the animals they'd in turn likely have less respect, I don't think that they or any other less developed group of people are living symbiotically with animals for any benign purpose, they respect them because they have to for the sake of their own survival.
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Bingo! It's only when people are not subject to the actualities of mere survival that they can forget which side their bread is buttered on, so to speak, and still manage to survive. In a primitive society stupid people rarely live very long.
 
spencerguy1 said:
when the day comes that we can communicate with them, dont be suprised when an angry mob of chickens, pigs, and cows destroy your house:)
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Bring them on, I'll be standing here with a12 gauge, a bottle of sweet baby rays, some A-1, and plenty of mashed potatos & Gravy! And when everyone else is busy starving, I'll be sitting over here burbing, and feeling full!
 
The Zigman said:
Bring them on, I'll be standing here with a12 gauge, a bottle of sweet baby rays, some A-1, and plenty of mashed potatos & Gravy! And when everyone else is busy starving, I'll be sitting over here burbing, and feeling full!
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LOL good luck with that
 
happypoet said:
Well, to an extent. I think there is some universality in my set of values, especially that compassion leads to happiness if one's life circumstances allow an individual to be concerned with compassion. I also think it is good for the entire society if these values are encouraged. However, what I will admit is that it ought not to be forced onto others through law. In the end, my point is simply that these ideals are not based solely (or even primarily) on emotion.
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But you do admit to an emotional component?
 
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