Why can't I keep goldfish with tropical fish?

Goldfish can live in tropical tanks, I have one that my son won, and we had to put it somewhere since no one else would take it, and I wasn't about to just kill it! We've had him for 2 years, but my mom kept him when she had her tank for 6 years before that, and he's always lived with other tropical fish, in a tropical tank. He's pretty big, but he has survived things other fish didn't, and he's still going strong!
 
It's so annoying how people stick a few random fish together, they live, and they take it that is the perfect environment. You people keep your mixed tropics and coldwater, but dont go preeching what you cant back up.
 
exactly. living is not thriving.

a goldfish that lives 10 years and then dies is not a goldfish that lived a long life.
 
I dont really care if there is people that has mixed fish in there tanks
Its simple
1. Gold Fish has certain needs,foods and temperatures
2. Tropical Fish has certain needs,foods and temperatures
So Don't Mix them together

Maybe They can and will survive being together but surely they are called cold water and warm water fish for a reason so give them there own space
 
yeah. lets all encourage people to do things that are not in the best interest of the fish because there are examples of it possibly working out. or we could just tell them to get a plec and an oscar to throw in with the goldies and while we're at it add some neons and see what happens....
 
CAN goldfish live in warmer water YES, is it healthy for the fish to NO. I know a lot of people here have had experience keeping goldfish with tropical fish, and most on this forum would never admit it now. Just because they cal live in a warmer tank doesn't mean the fish isn't feeling the stress of the tank. SO in essence, I'm agreeing with most the people here
 
Actually if you look at the scientific name in the link I posted that showed all the countries goldfish are living in, you will see it is the exact same species of goldfish as the ones in our aquariums. So yes, they are literally living in the same waters in the wild as so many of our tropical fish.

I am backing up my statements with facts. Check that link. That is not some random bored kid's webpage about goldfish. That is not even a well-respected goldfish forum's article. That is a professional, scientific organization's website. That information is all factual.

Lifespan is not the only indicator of thriving. In temperate regions many animals hibernate. This will slow down all physiological functions which will stretch out their life. But with all these goldfish living in such tropical nations as Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Mexico, Vietnam, and Uruguay it shows over and over how they are not truly coldwater fish.

We have been told it over and over, goldfish are coldwater. I was told it and accepted it without questioning it for so long. So many people have had it work out so well when they mixed goldfish and tropical fish. For others it did not work out so well. Maybe the temperature had something to do with it when it didn't work out, maybe it had something to do with one of the MANY other factors that can kill fish or cause incompatibility.

I am not saying that everyone should stick goldfish in their tank. Any combinations need to be considered very carefully. I am simply saying that if people are thinking that they are unquestionably incompatible because of temeprature requirements that there is significant information out there to oppose this and they may want to check it out. Fishbase.org lists their temperature range from 0-41C (32-105F) (http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=271). On the same page at the bottom is a link to Countries that takes you to the same page I linked to before. You can see all the countries goldfish are living in. These are established populations which means they are breeding.

I have seen that link before about their stomach. It is small and as I described earlier it is adapted to many smaller feedings throughout the day, not one big feeding like a piscivore would have. It is a stomach. In addition, digestion takes place in more than the stomach. The rest of the digestive system is where all the nutrients are actually absorbed, not in the stomach. So even if they did not have any stomach at all and nothing you could even call a stomach, they would still be perfectly capable of digesting their food, including proteins. That has to do with the rest of their digestive system and the enzymes present, not the size of their stomach.
 
So many people have had it work out so well when they mixed goldfish and tropical fish. For others it did not work out so well. Maybe the temperature had something to do with it when it didn't work out, maybe it had something to do with one of the MANY other factors that can kill fish or cause incompatibility.


but according to every post you've made in this thread, that's not the case, nor is it ever.

i'm done arguing about it.. i've said my piece again and again.

you win. :)

but you'll never catch me dead living in a house with a coldwater fish in the same tank as a tropical fish. ;)
 
I think ReptileGuy has a good point, and there's a whiff of resistance to challenges to Received Wisdom here. But remember that Received Wisdom also tells us that fish are acutely sensitive to pH (they're not), that pH swings kill them (they do not) and that fluffy growths on fish are generally fungus (they are not).

I also suggest that if we are to recommend that goldfish must not be kept with any tropicals, else you are a Bad Aquarist, then we must also (on the same grounds and by the same arguments):

*never keep tetras or any other South American fish in moderate or hard water;
*never keep Central American fish in soft water;
*never mix fish from different biotopes, countries, rivers, or even sections of rivers. There are no zebra danios in the Congo or the Amazon either.

and so on. The temperature thing is a red herring; in these days of central heating the temperature difference between an indoor "coldwater" and tropical tank is minimal; the temperature argument should lead to a recommendation to keep goldfish only outdoors.
 
Actually I never really said that but that is my point. Temperature can contribute to stress and death IF oxygen levels are not maintained.

Goldfish die in coldwater too. Does that mean we are not keeping them cold enough? Does that mean we are screwing things up so badly with them that we can't even keep them alive in unheated tanks? No, it means there are many more issues that can kill fish or cause them to fail to thrive that we cannot blame their deaths on something that is coincidental.

If I keep my discus in 7.4 and a couple don't do as well does that mean they can't live in that pH? No, and the breeders breeding them at that pH and higher (up to 7.6) would completely disprove that statement if I made it.

Again, you are calling them coldwater fish. You have decided based on some information (which you still choose to refuse to share) that they are a coldwater fish. Yet SOO many cases disprove this. They are not coldwater fish. They are wide range fish. I did the same thing. I read they were coldwater and didn't question it for a long time. Now I have. And I have done the research to support it. Apparently we all need to look at the actual facts and see if it makes since to call this species coldwater.

I am not trying to say that anyone should stick goldfish in their tropical tanks. The only reason I am trying to clarify this is because if we are going to have a discussion like this we all need to stick to the facts. We cannot afford to regurgitate misinformation. That is what can actually hold the hobby back. We need to be able to question things that we never thought to question before. Even if it 'supports my side' I would still try and correct misinformation because no one can afford to base their opinions on myths. All I am trying to do is get the accurate information out there. I think that is one of the most important roles of a forum, to correct all the bad information out there. I am not pro-tropical goldfish or anti-anyone or either side. I am simply pro-accurate information.
 
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