Why did all of my peppered cory catfish die?

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I added 5 peppered cory cats to my 90 gallon and within a week 3 had died. The smallest lasted another week or two and died, then the last one died about a month later. What would cause something like this? They seemed healthy but I would just find them laying upside down when I would check the tank in the afternoon after the lights turned on. The 90 gallon has been set up for over a year and the other fish are fine. It is the 90 gallon in my signature, which is planted pretty heavily, has 3 eheim canisters, and is understocked. I don't know the actual parameters of when the cories died, but everything is usually 0, even the nitrates. The ph is around 8.1 and the gh and kh are high as well (gh~9 kh~6-7)? The only other issue in the tank was BGA which had just started growing. I think there is BGA because there are no nitrates.
The peppered cories had been quarantined for 4 weeks in a 10 gallon tank and had shown no signs of sickness and seemed completely healthy. The 10 gallon tank had just been filled with water from the tap so it may have had lower levels of gh, kh, and ph. (Tap is PH 8.0-8.1 gh=7 kh=5)

The only reasons for the deaths that I can think of is maybe there was some shock from being moved, but there should not have been that much of a difference in the parameters. I saw them going to the surface to gulp air a few times, but no other fish showed and signs of stress or illness. The cory that lasted for a month seemed healthy and the only reason for its death that I can think of would be that it might have starved because whenever I fed it the cherry barbs and SAEs would also go after the sinking wafers. To combat this I would break the wafers into 4ths and drop about 5 in the back of the tank so the cory usually had a chance to get a piece of wafer to itself. I am not sure this worked though.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? I really like cories but don't want to risk getting them again if they will just die. I got peppered cories because hey will stay pretty small but they are also $5 each at the lfs. Is that a normal price? Is it worth trying them again? I am at a total loss as to what caused them to die. The most recent addition to the 90 gallon was 9 beckford pencilfish about 5 months ago. They have been fine except for one had a spinal problem and disappeared. I would blame the quality of the lfs, but the cories did survive quarantine. I had something very similar happen to some blue rams, but that was soon after the tank had been set up.

 
You'd think if it was some type of water chemistry shock to the corys, they wouldn't have lasted a week like the first batch that passed.

I would think it's odd your 90g never shows any nitrates? What is your water change schedule with the 90g? Are you sure nitrates aren't over-range high, giving you a zero reading? I experienced that with nitrites on a cycling tank (not sure if it's possible with nitrAtes though).

It does kind of sound like a slow nitrate poisoning.
 
How did you acclimate them from the QT to main tank? With established tank, your TDS can be much different than tap which might be the condition in the QT tank. This difference can cause osmotic shock to blood cells and organs from dehydration that can result from going from low to higher TDS. Damage to organs coud have caused a slow death.

I would try again but use a very slow drip acclamation process.

You might want to invest in a TDS meter too. It will let you know how different your tanks are and can show how the acclamation is progressing.
 
It is a moderately/heavily planted tank and is understocked. That is why there are no nitrates. I do water changes every week or two. Rarely I have gone 3 weeks without a water change but usually I also feed lightly when I think I will not be able to do a change for a while.

I have a TDS meter but I do not think it is calibrated. I have tested the TDS before but do not remember the difference and did not record it. I do believe the 90G was under 250 and my tap is around 170.
I put the cories in a bucket and added water 3 times from the 90G over the course of about an hour and a half. I just added 50% more water every time to the bucket. It was a pretty poor acclimation job, but I did not think it would matter since the parameters where not that different. Could the differences in the parameters have been enough to kill them? Also can cories even tolerate these parameters? I have read they prefer lower PH and GH/KH. Is it possible that the higher PH weakened them, and then the stress of being moved killed them?
 
My tap is similar and with slow acclimation, I think corys shouldn't have problems. As for TDS meter, I don't calibrate it against a standard. I use tap water to make sure it reads similar as before. Also you can check distilled water because it should be basically zero. You can also check bottled water like this Artesian to see how close you are. Just divide Conductivity by 2 to get TDS.

http://www.hinckleysprings.com/bottled-water-quality.jsf

But even if your meter is not calibrated, it's still ok because you really don't need absolutely correct number. All we care about is the difference between the tanks. This difference is the same whether it's calibrated or not.
 
I had 4 false Juliis in my 30g. I lost one a month until I was down to the lone ranger, who runs my 100g like a boss. Bad genetics will out in most cases and will effect long term health of said fish. Always willing to put out my $0.02.

EDIT: I re-read a few posts and it sounds like bad acclimation and stress took them out. 100% positive.....

:cheers:
 
Well I might try cories again with drip acclimation. Do I just put them in a bucket and let water drip in over a few hours?

Are there any other cory species that will stay moderately small like peppered cories? I think the panda cories were cheaper than the peppered cories and also stay pretty small. Any other species I should look out for?

Also is $5 per fish a reasonable price for peppered cories? I am questioning the quality of my LFS because I noticed that I had been waiting a few weeks for them to get habrosus cories in stock (I thought they would be a lot bigger than they were), but when the LFS finally got them in stock, so did petsupermarket. I did not buy the habrosus because they were too small and they did not have peppered cories, but had just gotten some spotted cories. The same day I went back to pet supermarket and they had also just gotten some spotted cories in stock. Pet supermarket usually has very healthy looking fish and tanks, but it troubles me that they both seem to use the same importers when everyone is always saying to go to an LFS instead of chain stores.
I would not have as much of a problem if the LFS wasn't so unforgiving on returns. They have a 1 week return policy on dead fish, but there is always some reason that they will not replace the fish. They would always say there was ammonia, but now I know it is probably because prime gives a false positive for ammonia. Either that or they were just saying my water had ammonia, even though I can never tell the difference on those ammonia tests.
 
I'd have to agree but . . . what about those who float the bag for 5 mins., put "some" tank water in the bag over the next 10 mins., and dump the bag water and all into the tank and have no issues.

LUCK. Sometimes the 2 water perameters are close (PH, ect) and the shock is minimal. Yours may have been just a little too much.

PH shock can cause fish to die later and not the same day.
 
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