You Know They Exist...
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I call bullcrap. The closest and by far most any radiation any planet will receive will be from the star it revolves around. Any other radiation from other stars would put out about as much radiation as a microwave. Read a book by Carl Sagan and you will understand better how that is not true. And for the "cloud" type galaxies...that's a young galaxy. The Milky Way used to be a "cloud" type galaxy.
Centered on one spot? I thought we had a spin going on with this planet. The tilt does have effects on weather. Makes weather a lot more unpredictable. And harder for life to adapt to it. Life would be easier without Tornadoes don't you think? Or does life need them?
Yes, you are talking about the CO2 content of our atmosphere. But our atmosphere does not have the "exact" atmosphere for life to exist. 5 million years ago the Tibetian plains got pushed up into the atmosphere and removed most of the CO2 from it. But life has existed before and after that change of our "exactly right" atmosphere needed for life to exist.
Plus the fact that life does not need O2 in the atmosphere to survive. Only most of Earth life. Have you ever read about anerobic bacteria down in the deep gravel of your tank that thrives in low oxygen levels? So exactly how is our particular atomosphere content needed for any type of life to exist?
Really! You mean plants that evolved to live on a planet with a tilt, for some reason needs that tilt to function the way it has evolved to do? Amazing. Cause and effect people. The Earth does not tilt so the plants don't mess up their circadian rythym. The plants need the tilt because they evolved to exist with it.
Watcher....why are you so angry??
If you feel I am in er with my information...you could certainly point that out without being rude !
You have a nice day now.....
If you feel I am in er with my information...you could certainly point that out without being rude !
You have a nice day now.....
I'm sorry if I came off rude. But your comment "Physics is a pretty interesting study...and it's scientific too ! you should try it sometime !" was inflammatory to me. So I got a little riled.
But still, you are only learning about how Earth life needs the Earth's environment to live and are saying that life cannot exist in any other environment. I present the idea that this is erroneous and just plain wrong.
We can continue to debate and have a good time with it. I enjoy the challenge of it. Or you can decide not to. But I would like a friendly debate over the matter if you would be inclined. Is that cool?
But still, you are only learning about how Earth life needs the Earth's environment to live and are saying that life cannot exist in any other environment. I present the idea that this is erroneous and just plain wrong.
We can continue to debate and have a good time with it. I enjoy the challenge of it. Or you can decide not to. But I would like a friendly debate over the matter if you would be inclined. Is that cool?
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Appology accepted Watcher ! I also am sorry for offending you, I certainly didn't mean to...but reading that again I can see how it could come off in a negative way. 
I have been having alot of fun with this topic and can certainly handle a good debate in a friendly manner....lol.....oh, by the way...I didn't actually say it was IMPOSSIBLE for life to be on other planets....just highly unlikely...
I don't have a problem with believing that there are, I guess I just don't spend alot of time pondering over it. There are enough wierd and fascinating things to study and wonder about here on our own planet ....though I do so enjoy the pictures from Hubble that we've seen. Fascinating place this universe !!!
Oh...watcher....I still think that quote on your signiture is great....you might have missed that comment I made while trying to see through the flames resulting from my not so well thought out response back there....lol....
I have been having alot of fun with this topic and can certainly handle a good debate in a friendly manner....lol.....oh, by the way...I didn't actually say it was IMPOSSIBLE for life to be on other planets....just highly unlikely...
I don't have a problem with believing that there are, I guess I just don't spend alot of time pondering over it. There are enough wierd and fascinating things to study and wonder about here on our own planet ....though I do so enjoy the pictures from Hubble that we've seen. Fascinating place this universe !!!
Oh...watcher....I still think that quote on your signiture is great....you might have missed that comment I made while trying to see through the flames resulting from my not so well thought out response back there....lol....
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I am reptar, hear me ROAR!!! *bunnies and squirrels flee in terror*
I'm sorry, couldn't help myself.
: It's okay, my husband just gets angrier too when I'm in a funny mood and he's not. I can take it. :dance2: :laugh:
I'm sorry, couldn't help myself.
: It's okay, my husband just gets angrier too when I'm in a funny mood and he's not. I can take it. :dance2: :laugh:
No, I caught it. But I was trying not to get off track. 
But the very question about how likely life is in the universe has divided scientists for a long time. Some think it common, some rare. That is why I'm looking forward to the upcoming exploration of Europa. If we find life there it would prove that the universe must be teaming with life.
Imagine life independently coming into existence on two planets of the same solar system!
But whatever way it goes, living in a universe that contains around a billion galaxies, and each galaxy on average containing a billion stars...there is life out there. More than that there is intelligent life out there.
It's all in the odds. And we are not lucky enough to be the one and only planet to ever have life in such overwhelming numbers of possibilities.
So what do you have to support your statement?
But the very question about how likely life is in the universe has divided scientists for a long time. Some think it common, some rare. That is why I'm looking forward to the upcoming exploration of Europa. If we find life there it would prove that the universe must be teaming with life.
Imagine life independently coming into existence on two planets of the same solar system!
But whatever way it goes, living in a universe that contains around a billion galaxies, and each galaxy on average containing a billion stars...there is life out there. More than that there is intelligent life out there.
It's all in the odds. And we are not lucky enough to be the one and only planet to ever have life in such overwhelming numbers of possibilities.
So what do you have to support your statement?
Well....lol....for starters....I don't believe luck has anything to do with life being on this planet at all..
And as for what I have to substantiate what my thinking is for my statements....was a book I read a while back written by a professor of physics....unfortunately, it was a borrowed book and I can't remember the authors name...(yeah, I know....likely story..but true...lol.. ) I figured the guy was a professor in the field so he should know what he was talking about...having said that...I'll be honest enough to say that I chose to believe the information he listed because they meshed quite well with what I believe.... : (something I think MOST of us do...even scientists !)
It was no small accomplishment to get through that book by the way !! I found myself having to reread the same sentence/paragraph 5 times several times throughout this book....before I "got" what he was saying...lol...(lots of BIG words and ideas) It was an interesting and fun excercise, I"m just sorry I don't remember who that guy was !!
As to where my viewpoint of why I believe that the possibility is unlikely has more to do with my world view in general I suppose. For one, I don't believe that all this here could possibly come about by accident....no way IMHO..when everything is soooooo orderly and perfect right down to the smallest neuclues of the smallest atom ! It boggles the mind !!
But I also will say that I don't believe we'll ever find a way to prove either sumission...the one for intelligent design...or for accidental collisions of random atoms coming together to form anything......nor do I think it matters much which viewpoint anyone adheres to....what I or anyone else thinks about how it all happened isn't going to change the truth about how it all happened one little bit....lol....but it sure is fun to wonder about it all !!
And as for what I have to substantiate what my thinking is for my statements....was a book I read a while back written by a professor of physics....unfortunately, it was a borrowed book and I can't remember the authors name...(yeah, I know....likely story..but true...lol..
) I figured the guy was a professor in the field so he should know what he was talking about...having said that...I'll be honest enough to say that I chose to believe the information he listed because they meshed quite well with what I believe.... : (something I think MOST of us do...even scientists !)It was no small accomplishment to get through that book by the way !! I found myself having to reread the same sentence/paragraph 5 times several times throughout this book....before I "got" what he was saying...lol...(lots of BIG words and ideas) It was an interesting and fun excercise, I"m just sorry I don't remember who that guy was !!
As to where my viewpoint of why I believe that the possibility is unlikely has more to do with my world view in general I suppose. For one, I don't believe that all this here could possibly come about by accident....no way IMHO..when everything is soooooo orderly and perfect right down to the smallest neuclues of the smallest atom ! It boggles the mind !!
But I also will say that I don't believe we'll ever find a way to prove either sumission...the one for intelligent design...or for accidental collisions of random atoms coming together to form anything......nor do I think it matters much which viewpoint anyone adheres to....what I or anyone else thinks about how it all happened isn't going to change the truth about how it all happened one little bit....lol....but it sure is fun to wonder about it all !!
Yeah, well I used to believe that way.
But not anymore.
To attribute what we don't understand to intelligent design or an intelligent force is simply a cop out on rational thought and experimental insight.
A lot of things that people used to assign to intelligent force is now not seen in any such way. Such as volcanoes exploding. I think very few humans see the eruption of a volcano as an expression of anger from a diety. Most people, even supporters of intelligent design, would double over in laughter at such a thought.
But is not belief in intelligent design (simply because we have not figured out every tiny nuance of how the universe works yet) just an evolved example of the same mentality?
But not anymore.
To attribute what we don't understand to intelligent design or an intelligent force is simply a cop out on rational thought and experimental insight.
A lot of things that people used to assign to intelligent force is now not seen in any such way. Such as volcanoes exploding. I think very few humans see the eruption of a volcano as an expression of anger from a diety. Most people, even supporters of intelligent design, would double over in laughter at such a thought.
But is not belief in intelligent design (simply because we have not figured out every tiny nuance of how the universe works yet) just an evolved example of the same mentality?
I don't believe volcanos are a blowup of some vengeful god.....but to explain what I believe it is would get me into a discussion of my religion..and I don't think that sort of thing would be appreciated here..
But let me say...that I do have a very scientific mind....science was always one of my favorite subjects. To me it is a curiosity about the world around us and how it functions. If you are a true scientist you wouldn't rule out anything that can not be proven to not exist. And no one can prove to anyone beyond a shadow of a doubt that an itelligent being that is way beyond us...is not responsible for getting it all started.
How did the big bang happen ?? Why did it happen ? How did that stuff get here that was included in all that stuff that blew up in the beginnings of our universe? Where did it come from? It had to come from somewhere ? I don't think you or anyone else can answer those questions....so until we can beyond a shadow of a doubt scientifically prove how it got here and that an intelligent being wasn't responsible for it....I dont' think you can honestly rule out the possibility....
Of all the things in this universe that there are to know......we aren't even close to knowing it all.....we don't even know enough to fit it all on the head of a pin...and to just dismiss the possibility of an intelligent designer because you (not meaning you personally)...don't like what that would mean.....is to me...unscientific.
A scientist wants to know it all...looks at all the facts and possibilities and weighs them...comes up with a theory...then tests the theory to come to a conclusion. You either come to a conlusioin or you don't and have to go through more study and observations, and then another theory....I don't think anyone has been able to come to any conlusive scientific proof that God doesn't exist.....so until someone does you have to consider the possibility and what that would mean. Being that we know SOOO little about what there is to be known in this whole universe.....it's an exciting place !
But let me say...that I do have a very scientific mind....science was always one of my favorite subjects. To me it is a curiosity about the world around us and how it functions. If you are a true scientist you wouldn't rule out anything that can not be proven to not exist. And no one can prove to anyone beyond a shadow of a doubt that an itelligent being that is way beyond us...is not responsible for getting it all started.
How did the big bang happen ?? Why did it happen ? How did that stuff get here that was included in all that stuff that blew up in the beginnings of our universe? Where did it come from? It had to come from somewhere ? I don't think you or anyone else can answer those questions....so until we can beyond a shadow of a doubt scientifically prove how it got here and that an intelligent being wasn't responsible for it....I dont' think you can honestly rule out the possibility....
Of all the things in this universe that there are to know......we aren't even close to knowing it all.....we don't even know enough to fit it all on the head of a pin...and to just dismiss the possibility of an intelligent designer because you (not meaning you personally)...don't like what that would mean.....is to me...unscientific.
A scientist wants to know it all...looks at all the facts and possibilities and weighs them...comes up with a theory...then tests the theory to come to a conclusion. You either come to a conlusioin or you don't and have to go through more study and observations, and then another theory....I don't think anyone has been able to come to any conlusive scientific proof that God doesn't exist.....so until someone does you have to consider the possibility and what that would mean. Being that we know SOOO little about what there is to be known in this whole universe.....it's an exciting place !
