Zombies -- Mafia #11

[johnlarson66]

didn't think I voted for Lady G - I may have said she was a very legitimate suspect.

I'm a touch busy but will be trying to get some posts in today.

In the meantime, if you think I'm evil then go for it, vote for me. You'd be wrong, and I don't think anyone can make a proper case out against me, notwithstanding that I voted for Ogre; he looked evil to me from the get go, as did DD. Ice began to look innocent to me on day 2 - very much not sure about him now. I related his innocence somewhat back to JL and now I wonder if the easy answer is in fact the right one - that Ice jumped off JL on day one because he had to, because JL was zombie czar.

We have to remember folks, those of you that are voting for Lady G that DD, a known zombie said "I know Lady G is innocent". I think DD was sucking Lady G in...I read rb's elimination post as saying that DD was an original vampire and not a turn and therefore you have to look on almost everything she said as garbage, and certainly laden with an agenda. I am not comfortable voting for Lady G at this time.

As I type I am beginning to consider offering the town a straight shoot-out of me versus ice. Of course, if we are both innocent that's a bit of a disaster, losing one of us to a lynch but as I say I am very doubtful about ice. The only reason I am not currently voting for Ice is because I have not decided that he is in fact the best subject.

Coler, do you really think I am the zombie czar?

What is your case against me?

I thought we were past this day one vote switch. I know I have moved past it. You are one of the reasons I moved past it. Now you are using it again?

If you really think I am the zombie czar, then why did you not support Lady G in her quest to lynch me. Now she lets off of me and then you state I am a zombie?

 

[johnlarson66]

noticing that RB stated DD returned to 'her original dead state' I say that means there was in fact a fair chance DD was evil from the get go and not a turn, for whatever that may be worth...in fact that very much puts a shadow over Lady G

Unvote Ice thinking about it Lady G is in fact an excellent suspect...I will think more on it but now I'm out.

actually Lady G is practically a no brainer for a vote to day

What changed?

 

[Coler]

^ JL - nothing really - I accept that my vote for ice directly on day commencing was very much knee jerk in nature. Then I thought about Lady G and DD. Then I thought further in general and you have my comments above in that regard.

 

[Coler]

Coler, do you really think I am the zombie czar?

What is your case against me?

I thought we were past this day one vote switch. I know I have moved past it. You are one of the reasons I moved past it. Now you are using it again?

If you really think I am the zombie czar, then why did you not support Lady G in her quest to lynch me. Now she lets off of me and then you state I am a zombie?

With respect JL you are completely misrepresenting what I have said in the posts above.

I did not state you are a zombie.

I accept for instance that DD was an original zombie then you and Ice could not both, on Day 1 have been zombies...crud...in that light I have to consider you/ice as being somewhat innocent on day 1 as I believe RB's post to have been a clue as to DD being an original zombie...

 

[Coler]

leaving work now, won't be back around for a few hours unfortunately...

I'm thinking of voting for Swayde, Mad or Ice.

 

[Swayde]

Thanks for helping to clear things up for me Coler. I believe the 3 zombies in the game currently are Bkw, Coler and DC.

 

[johnlarson66]

didn't think I voted for Lady G - I may have said she was a very legitimate suspect.

I'm a touch busy but will be trying to get some posts in today.

In the meantime, if you think I'm evil then go for it, vote for me. You'd be wrong, and I don't think anyone can make a proper case out against me, notwithstanding that I voted for Ogre; he looked evil to me from the get go, as did DD. Ice began to look innocent to me on day 2 - very much not sure about him now. I related his innocence somewhat back to JL and now I wonder if the easy answer is in fact the right one - that Ice jumped off JL on day one because he had to, because JL was zombie czar.

We have to remember folks, those of you that are voting for Lady G that DD, a known zombie said "I know Lady G is innocent". I think DD was sucking Lady G in...I read rb's elimination post as saying that DD was an original vampire and not a turn and therefore you have to look on almost everything she said as garbage, and certainly laden with an agenda. I am not comfortable voting for Lady G at this time.

As I type I am beginning to consider offering the town a straight shoot-out of me versus ice. Of course, if we are both innocent that's a bit of a disaster, losing one of us to a lynch but as I say I am very doubtful about ice. The only reason I am not currently voting for Ice is because I have not decided that he is in fact the best subject.

Are you saying tht Ice and I are innocent or that we are zombies?

Ice has explained why he voted for CS and took his vote off of me. I hounded him on it and I am okay with his answers. It did not makes sense for him to save me if he thought I was a zombie. My overall feeling is that he thought there was a chance that I was not a zombie and felt better about lynching CS.

I had also thought that you were leaning more innocent for Ice and myself, because of this. With reading into the post, we get the impression that DD might have been a day one zombie, which is just speculation, and that you are the one that pointed that out.

I do not see how you do not have both BKW or ewurm as suspects, but now have me and Ice.

Even though I still somewhat suspect Ice, I think there are better choices. You seem to be moving up. It might be good to read your own posts before posting new ones.

 

[johnlarson66]

I'm willing to consider ice, JL, swayde...also Mad for lynching.
I wouldn't be as happy to vote for Lady G at this time because of DD being a zombie, however there is a possibility she was turned since.

bkw, ewurm, DC and jpappy are in my opinion poorer candidates at this time - because there is less material out there on them. Unfortunately if one of them/three of them are zombies they have stayed off the radar. In a tight situation (I havn't worked out if this is lynch or lose - I think it is depending on turns ?) it is therefore difficult to be sure enough about them.

I can see an argument that ice, JL and swayde are zombies. I stress that what I mean by this is that it is plausible. No more than that.

@mad - I played a few posts in one newbie game on mafiascum.net - dropped out; wasn't moving quickly enough. Its a totally different game over there in many ways in my opinion. Not least the voting system alone - I don't accept that changing votes mean the same in this game as over there; I'm interested in what you think about this.

Explain your argument. I think for starters swayde was after DD. So what is the case on swayde. Then besides Lady G thinking I am evil, what is there? Besides Ice's late day one vote change, what is there? Tell us the arguement.

what I am saying above in case its not clear is that to lynch bkw, ewurm, dchief, jappy I need to be convinced by a good case made out on foot of their posts - I can already see that the others I name have a case to answer.

Then you say there not a case for bkw, ewurm, dc, or jpappy? Are you even reading the thread. There is a good case for BKW, mostly his lack of even posting, his flying under the radar. ewurm has only responded to people that have voted for him, but he agrees with going after BKW. DC has made some strange comments and has changed his games style mid-game. Jpappy has been helpful to the town, so I do not see a case.

There is a case against BKW and DC. To ignore these is irresposible. While I might not agree with the cases built or not, they are still there.

Place a vote and explain yourself.

 

[Madcrawdad]

@mad - I played a few posts in one newbie game on mafiascum.net - dropped out; wasn't moving quickly enough. Its a totally different game over there in many ways in my opinion. Not least the voting system alone - I don't accept that changing votes mean the same in this game as over there; I'm interested in what you think about this.

I'll agree that their game is a slightly different animal (mainly due to the incremental voting). The main principle, however, is essentially the same....scum wants to blend in and not get caught. I think that some scumtells are probably transferable between games.

Granted, it would take a fewer number of vote changes over there to constitute votehopping. On day 2, however, you votehopped on a grand scale.

IMO, with votehopping:

- The player appears confused (either legitimately, or playing the 'confused card').
- It leaves a murky trail of a player's true thoughts/votes
- Allows scum to be opportunistic

Keep in mind that even the better scumtells only raise a flag that a player 'might' be scum, so they should only be used in conjunction with other information.

Is the fact that you tried to link Ogre w/ DD on Day 2 coincidence? Possibly... Does it look suspicious? Definitely.

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BTW, I'm interested in hearing this case that you've said I have to answer for...

 

[Lady G]

Only have a sec. from what I see in a quick read so far, I would still say Bkw or DC not sure which, still thinking about Coler not real sure on him yet.