10 dead fish since yesterday- white silk poo

[ducatigirl]

I lost 7 neons overnight, an angelfish last night, and two today.
leaving 5 angelfish. One has almost transparent very fine (like silk) poo, long and trailing.

Any ideas?
tests read normal!
the neons were the addition to the tank 3 days ago.

[sushiray]

sorry to hear of your losses. neons from petsmart $1 sale?

sounds to me they carried in parasites then when they hit your tank, parasites were activated. guess QT wasn't long enough. I suggest treating with metro then go thru jungle clear.

I had bought 8neons 5silver $ at PS's $1 sale keeping them in 10g & as QT tank treating with lifegard & jungle clear. so far so good but 1neon went awol?! not mixing them in with my other tanks, can't trust PS!

my angel tank has white poo/hunger strike also, treating as I stated, now couple of them eating but still treating.

also do w/c b4 treating. good luck.

[ducatigirl]

I'm in Australia, dont have petsmart, they were $3 ea.
Upset about losing my angelfish.
Doing a 25% water change now, adding tri sulfur.
Dont know or heard of the jungle one you mentioned, its mentioned before but never seen it.
Think trisulfur will do it, or do i go for tricycline anti biotics?

[sushiray]

chek lupin's sticky. I'm not sure.

I used jungle parasite clear, jungle labs is the brand.

I would still suggest metronizole.

[Douggie]

Hi, sorry to hear you lost fish. Possibly, Synonym: Plistophora. Common names: Neon-tetra disease. Use Anti B's. Have a read here. http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/Disease/neonziekte.htm

[ducatigirl]

another angel about to die, have removed it, about to give it tetracycline cos that is all i have apart from trisulfa.

[I Love Mollies]

Sorry to hear of the loss

[ducatigirl]

Thank you for the support :)
I actually feel like giving up.
I've lost so many fish lately.
Some really special angels too.
Beautiful gold rams, seems like every new fish doesnt adjust to the hard water.
So new fish die taking my current ones with them, and my tanks are just becoming empty.
so I buy more and they die...
I know better, I already had fish in the qt tank, so didnt add them, put them straight into the angels tank :(

[ponderingky]

White stringy poo is usually an internal parasite. I would use metro as already suggested and if you can get levamisole (liquid pig wormer) I would dose that also. The levamisole has worked wonders for me. Also - I have used Clout w/pretty good success for similar situation.

HTH,

[Reframer]

You can't treat parasites with antibiotics (such as tetracycline or trisulfa), you need anti-parasite meds. Aks you local pet store or serach online for the prazi pro or jungle para clear.

[Star_Rider]

white stringy poo can also be a sx of internal bacterial infection.

there are a host of internal parasite that affect fish. in the last few years two in particular have had drastic affects on Angels.

Camallanus and capillaria. both are round worms Camallanus can be visible while capillaria are much smaller and less visible.

effective meds for these are fenbendazole and levamisole(hcl)
if you use levamisole you will need to retreat the tank in 2-3 weeks after signs of parasite are gone.

also parasitic protozoa may be playing a role. these are effectively treated with metronidazole(antibiotic, some tiny protozoa are effectively treated with antibiotics). jungle labs parasite clear contains this as well as acriflavin and prazi.

however, IME parasite infestation take quite a bit of time to kill fish.

healthy angels can live for weeks after Sx occur. (usually they stop eating)
camallanus are visble and may be seen protruding from the anus(I see it more at night or in a dark tank)

[ducatigirl]

Think I'm going to have to search further for these our local fs dont carry any of those.
I may be able to ask the vet to get it in.

[ducatigirl]

I have 2 angelfish left
This is so depressing.
I cant get antibiotics except tricycline.
I bought seachem cupramine. is that any help for an unknown fatal illness?

[Star_Rider]

I've only found levamisole Hcl at farm feed stores. it is a sheep/pig wormer.

they may or may not be able to order it for you.

fenbendazole also goes by the name Panacur you can also look for flubendazole which is very similar to fenbendazole.

if you have issues and know a veterinarian they may be able to assist you will need to speak with them and fill them in on the situation.

[BadFishPa]

Sounds like internal parasites,any meds for that may help..

[avanc]

I know this is awful but don't give up! I have no idea what is available to you in australia, so I hope a vet can help you with something that's available there. We have all been through things like this no matter how careful we are, I'm so sorry for the loses though.

[bradlgt21]

Sounds to me like a internal parasite too. If it's really hard to find meds for fish you might be able to go into the dog medication section. I have seen some powder's that you use as a dewormer for dogs. Just look at the ingredients on the back and then do some google searches for dosing specs on it. It's not really the safest way to handle it since it's for dogs but it might be your only choice. Good luck, diseases are hard enough to fight with the right meds.

[ducatigirl]

Thanks everyone.
I will call the local vet when it opens and ask for the fenben or metron.
I may even ask what anti biotics he has on hand.
I think I will switch to different fish maybe malawi. Tranced is also in W aus, and he has found me a local breeder. I think thats the best place to start with good fish.

[sushiray]

hey there! as I also surmise u must have parasites which are tough to get rid of even if u had the right meds.

the problem is anti biotics won't work on parasites but maystill good to use to combat ancilliary illnesses if u can identify other symptoms.

when I had a bout with parasites in my discus tank (what a nitemare!) I was guided to use pure metro & then pure prazi.

can u search online for local aussie suppliers to have em shipped to u? if not u may want to order from canada or the states but then it would take way to long to get to u.

good luck, we all feel your pain & frustration.

btw - have they lost their appetite yet besides still white pooping?

[ducatigirl]

These fish were so happy swimming together, the tank looked awesome.
Then those bloody neons i saw one die and fish eat it, it was so small I didnt worry about it. I didnt think the angels that died first (not including the 10) were caused by anything other than weak stock, I didnt do anything about it then, just do a wc, gravel vac, and check parameters. the GH was 7 drops on the api test, but all my angels seemed accustomed to it, as they had been in the tank for a month doing very well.
All the platys are still alive. they were the first addition to the tank while it was in its 2nd week of cycling.
I just rescued 'scrubber' our bristlenose, dont want him dying.

I am going to leave the tank empty for a while after this, its way depressing, think I have lost my passion for angels now, I dreamed of breeding them.
I bought a rain water tank for them and the rams, but no rain yet.
the other 2 angels I rescued are ok, lost 3 of them, one was a blue sheen it was gorgeous :( and of course my very first angel named G. that really broke me!!!n He was as tough as nails. He was one of the last to die.

I am waiting for the vet to call me back.
To see if i can get metro and fenbendazole, for future use.
I added some praziquantel tabs to this rescue tank, and the other 2 are getting better, shame i didnt catch this in time, but once they were infected, it happened very quickly.

**** store fish!
Taking out all my original fish!
Sad and mad!

[ducatigirl]

ok the vet will get the medications in, if i have correct dosages, before they will dispense them.
so we are looking for dosage rates for
fenbenzadole
metronidazole
acriflavin.

Anyone have a bottle of the stuff with directions?
thank you

[Star_Rider]

hi,
I found my notes
this is from a friend of mine who breeds tropical fish.

"I use flubendazole a fenbedazole analog, in 2 ways.
1, 10% powder, 1/2 tsp/10 gal. Make a suspension of the powder by using a small jar with a tight fitting lid and shake well. It isn't actually water soluble. Some how it still manages to make it inside the fish. I use half this dosw to kill Hydra infestations. I once had them bad and treated all my tanks for aweek and got rid of them. They can go from being invisible to covering everything when you feed lots of newly hatched brine shrimp.
2 The other way I use it is in food but I use GelTek UltraCure PX which combines praziquantel, flubendazole and metronidazole. I add it ti several layers of tetra Color bits then add enough water to help soak it through all the food. Use an average size prescription bottle and enough drops to wet the surface of each layer.
It is OK to combine Hikari Prazipro(praziquantel) with flubendazole and metronidazole in the treatment tank water. They won't cause any adverse reactions and each kills different classes of worms, flukes and flagellated parasites.
If the fish are willing to take prepared foods you can also be feeding them the medicated food.
Here is a handy quick reference quick to fish diseases and treatments.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/FA/FA04100.pdf"

[ducatigirl]

Thank you Star rider.
So I would tell the vet 1/2 tsp/10 gallon. (40 ltrs) for fenbendazole.
Thank you for the instructions.
Just need to find the other two now. I hope he is open today (saturday).

[ducatigirl]

I found on wetwebmedia
http://wetwebmedia.com/metranidazole.htm
metronidazole
250mg/10g
or 1/2 tsp to 4 oz food. daily, 3 treatments total.