OCEANIC vs ALLGLASS

[audio77]

i had a 180 on order and my guy @ the lfs just called and said the all glass is on sale, and its about 185 bux cheaper than the oceanic. he said the overflows are nicer:confused: and the glass is thicker on the oceanic. is it worth it or not enough to worry about. wouldnt mind saving the 180bux. then he said something that sounded stupid, the all glass is a little bit smaller because of the glass thickness and overall its just a slightly smaller tank. he didnt reccomend putting it on the stand for the oceanic,..? i mean were talking about maybe an inch difference. putting a SLIGHTLY smalller tank on a SLIGHTLY larger stand shouldnt be a prob! am i missing something?! he says he wouldnt suggest it and wants me to sign a waver. i thinkhe just wants to make a bigger sale.

whatcha think?!

[djlen]

Sounds like a sales job. I know that many of these stores buy the Oceanic tanks and stands as a set and don't like to split them up. I've always wondered whether they were worth all the extra money they charge for them. I've had All Glass tanks all my life and never had a problem with any of them. HOWEVER....I've never had an aquarium that large, and you might get other feedback that tells you the Oceanic is the way to go when buying that large a tank.
Len

[slipknottin]

Oceanic is owned by all-glass.

Oceanic tanks is the high end line. They will come with better silicone job, a different type of bracing (usually a clear cross brace also) and the overflow boxes are a black acrylic box.

However, they both have excellent warranties, and will last indefinatly if setup on a proper stand.

[SamsonNY]

I've got the Oceanic 150 and it's great. Thick glass, perfect silicone job, glass brace. But, from what I've heard, the All Glass is as well. (Didn't know they were the same company.... Go figure.) So, saving the dough (or spending it on the U.V. with a spare bulb :D ) might be the better way to go.

Don't know about the stand issue. Outside of aesthetics, don't really think it will make a big deal, but I'm not certain.

Oh yeah, if you go with the AllGlass, will the overflows be the dual overflows? (top and bottom inlets) If so, grab it. I had to "customize" my skimmer/prefilter box with a tube so that I would grab water off the top and bottom of the tank. AllGlass came up with a great idea just for that.

[audio77]

yeah, i could then afford the UV! i dont know, well see. i might just bite it and go withthe oceanic everything. but really, i mean the stand being about 1/2 inch wider than the tank all the way around shouldnt make it a bad thing, hell it might be a good thing
i'm gonna e-mail oceanic

[Shay]

Buy the All Glass. You're going to scratch it or mess it up some other way a long time before it "wears out."

I would suggest, to anyone, going to a glass cutter and replacing the cover glass if you want your tank lights to do their best job.

-Shay

[RTR]

Since I still have tanks manufactured in the 50s, I don't exactly consider that tanks "wear out".

When you go large tank, go high quality.

Not having a tank on its own brand of stand may negate the warranty. If this is the case, don't do it.

[audio77]

good thought RTR

[goldfish freak]

If it was me I would spend the extra 185 dollars for the Oceanic. The Oceanics look somewhat better both in quality and appearance. I just bought an 120 gallon All- Glass modern kit and I think it looks very good, but I would have bought an Oceanic if it did not cost quite a bit more.

[MonoSebaelover]

Two months ago I bought a 209G Oceanic Tank, and I personally like them a lot more than All-Glass. I like the glass brace better than they plastic that All-Glass has. All-Glass is a great brand though too. I agree with RTR, I think it will be worth the extra 180. Oceanics have quite a bit thicker glass, and is well worth it to make sure a tank that big doesn't explode and end up on your floor (not that an All-Glass will....probably won't), but if it was me I would rather go with the thicker glass. I don't know about All-Glass tanks with the overflow, but my Oceanic is so quite, I can't hear anything.

[souk]

Oceanic....nice but, way too much. for fresh water...AGA should be fine. the glass brace on the Oceanic SUCKs BIG time for a reef tank. blocks out too much light. i like the AGA brace for a reef a lot better. it doesn't block out that much lighting. but its not going to be a reef so it doesn't matter.

the overflow on the Oceanic takes up too much space IMO. the stand issue...don't worry about it, its the same dimension

[AikidoGuy]

i wouldnt worry to much about it if ones cheaper then th eother go for it. I have Oceanics, AGA's and Perfectos even a tenecor. some of my tanks are 15 years old! i havent had one problem with any of them. save your cash!

[aljen]

Can the manufacturer legally void a warranty because the consumer does not make an additional purchase from the manufacturer?

That can't (or shouldn't) be right because it would allow manufacturers to build products that are defective unless used in conjunction with another of the manufacturer's products. If that is true, then the two products should be sold together, right?

edit: I mean the manufacturer should be legally required to sell the two products together as a package.

[RTR]

Why ever should they not? So long as they specify that the warranty applies only to units on approved (their own) stand, you agree to the warranty by your purchase. If you do not agree, don't buy. Folk who are concerned with the warranty will use their stands. Others are free to take to take their chances and the company has no liabilty if the tank cracks from an uneven or weak stand. Warranties are contracts, you do not have to agree. It spells out what the company will guarantee.

[SamsonNY]

Just a FYI; here's Oceanic's warranty statement from their website:


IMPORTANT: READ SAFETY AND INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE USE
AQUARIUM SET-UP INSTRUCTIONS
A proper aquarium stand is essential to the structural integrity of your aquarium. An aquarium stand is to an aquarium as a foundation is to a home. An improperly designed aquarium stand can severely damage your aquarium. The aquarium should be placed on an appropriate stand manufactured by Oceanic Systems, Inc. Furniture or other devices are not suitable aquarium stands due to the weight of a full aquarium. Do not place aquariums on or near electrical appliances such as TVs, stereo units, etc. When moving an aquarium it should be completely empty of all water and gravel. Care must be taken to lift the aquarium from the bottom not from the top frame or the glass center-brace.



OCEANIC SYSTEMS, INC. LIMITED WARRANTY
Oceanic Systems, Inc. warrants this aquarium, to the original purchaser, against glass to glass leaks due to defective sealant and workmanship as follows:



5 YEAR STANDARD WARRANTY
For a period of 5 years from the date of purchase, Oceanic Systems, Inc. will, at its option, either replace or repair the defective aquarium when purchased and used with an appropriate aquarium stand manufactured by Oceanic Systems, Inc.
Lifting or carrying the aquarium by the top frame may cause damage to the molding corner joints and will void all warranties. Drilling holes anywhere in the aquarium or in any other way altering either the aquarium or aquarium stand after their original manufacture by Oceanic Systems, Inc. will void all warranties.

Before contacting your dealer about your potentially leaking aquarium:
Have you checked your canister filter or power filter for leaks?
Do you have separation in the aquarium trim corner joint? (contact Oceanic Customer Service)
Have you recently done a water change and over-filled the aquarium?
Do you have a bubbler or air-stone located in such a place to cause water to bubble over the edge?
Have you water tested with ALL auxiliary equipment removed from the aquarium?

To obtain service under this warranty, you must RETAIN THE ORIGINAL DEALER'S BILL OF SALE FOR BOTH THE AQUARIUM AND THE STAND as evidence of the date of purchase.


PLEASE REGISTER YOUR OCEANIC SYSTEMS, INC. PRODUCT ON-LINE AT WWW.OCEANICSYSTEMS.COM


REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT, AS PROVIDED UNDER THIS NON-TRANSFERABLE WARRANTY, IS THE EXCLUSIVE REMEDY OF THE CONSUMER. OCEANIC SYSTEMS, INC. SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES FOR BREACH OF ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY ON THIS PRODUCT. EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ON THIS PRODUCT IS LIMITED IN DURATION TO THE DURATION OF THIS WARRANTY.

Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damage, or allow limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights that may vary from state to state.

To obtain service under this warranty, contact your nearest authorized Oceanic Systems, Inc. dealer. ©2002 OCEANIC SYSTEMS, INC.

OCEANIC SYSTEMS, INC.
11839 Shiloh Road
Dallas, Texas 75228
214.320.6050 PHONE
214.320.3110 FAX
customerservice@oceanicsystems.com

[audio77]

thanks guys, well i ordered the oceanic today. i figured if i can afford it get it, it wont be any WORSE! samson,... i go tthe MR400 and the CSL UV too!! cant wait. leos are 200 @ my lfs, not bad right?!

[aljen]

SamsonNY, thanks for posting the terms of the contract. The paragraph I find most interesting is the following:

"Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damage, or allow limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights that may vary from state to state."

RTR, perhaps your state limits specific legal right that may vary from state to state. You and I don't live in the same state, do we? I live in California.

Don't you all want manufacturers to sell aquariums that are warranted against leakage, regardless of who constructed the stand on which the buyer placed the tank?

Think about it. As long as a stand is level, should it matter who built the stand?

[SamsonNY]

Originally posted by audio77
thanks guys, well i ordered the oceanic today. i figured if i can afford it get it, it wont be any WORSE! samson,... i go tthe MR400 and the CSL UV too!! cant wait. leos are 200 @ my lfs, not bad right?!

Sounds great! And great price for the leos. Best of luck!

:)

[slipknottin]

Dont All-glass tanks have a 10 year warranty, and they will honor it even if not used on their own stands?

[Jeremy S]

All-Glass tanks only have a 1-year warranty and only honor it if the tank is on one of their stands.

[slipknottin]

Your right about the 1 year warranty. But AGA tanks do NOT need to be on an AGA tank for them to honor the warranty.


From their Info Sheet-


The Warranty is void if the aquarium is not placed on a flat, level aquarium stand designed to support this size aquarium.

[RTR]

The tank itself is primary warranty, the incidental damage extras are local option, In some areas the manufaturer is liable for incidentals only if their negligence can be proved (i.e., hold you breath), in others they may be liable under local law.

[NJ Devils Fan]

I have an all-glass and no problems

[Ken91gsx]

AGA has 1 year warranty.
Oceanic has 5 year warranty.
Perfecto 65gal > has 10 year warranty.

It's what's in the tank that count, not how nice is the trim. No one is going to pay attention to small details and the glass is not thicker. So Oceanic tank is just a waste of money IMO.
If you compare clean silicone line the new Perfecto black silicone line has the best silicone job.
Also the center plastic brace is thicker and less wider then both the AGA and Oceanic. Which make less dark spots in the tank.
The best thing about a Oceanic is the glass canopies w/ the recess handles and thin light reflector strips.

I'm not sure but Top-Fin might be a lower model of Perfecto sold at pet chain stores. Anyone confirm that.