Mafia #77 Game thread- Back to the basics
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WOW, just wow....I don't even know now to answer this to help you.
How about that hasn't been decided yet.
Why don't you tell us where that thought came from?
That would be a nice idea. There is an old thread somewhere with very basic info, but little strategy. I found it back when I started out but it wasn't much help.
I imagine the reason no one has done this more and maybe it wouldn't even happen is because everyone spends what free time they can in the games. For most, the only time they aren't in a game or in between games is when they have no time at all. There wouldn't be time to host a class or get into discussions about it then either.
Some of the vets also seem a little tight-lipped about the tactics they've developed over time, too. Even in a lot of communicating boards, they freely share their ideas and such, but don't always share how they derived them.
Night Fall in 2 HRS
PMs as required
Zaffy -14-Kash 1153 Pir 1157 JM 1161 Dawg 1162 Mav 1168 Chill 1171 Razz 1236 LG 1241 Wiz 1254 Bally 1256 Salt 1266 DD 1269 JB 1272 Mav 1303 2H 1326
Pir 2--Zaffy 1178 Wiz 1203 Mav 1208 UN 1336
PMs as required
Zaffy -14-Kash 1153 Pir 1157 JM 1161 Dawg 1162 Mav 1168 Chill 1171 Razz 1236 LG 1241 Wiz 1254 Bally 1256 Salt 1266 DD 1269 JB 1272 Mav 1303 2H 1326
Pir 2--Zaffy 1178 Wiz 1203 Mav 1208 UN 1336
Yes UN I have been giving you a very close look since the get go. I must have missed Zaffy doing the same thing though. If you can show me him giving you a hard time I'd take it as strong evidence of your innocence. Pull a few posts and change my mind.
Bally if you've seen something on this front plase feel free to point it out.
Hey guys, I'm back. I won't be able to post much tonight, I had a rough night and then today made it worse........... Sorry guys. I'll try to catch up but I can't say that I will have much to say........ 
I see some of these conversations when I come back to the thread and it just amazes me how easy it is for everyone to get caught up on some point or another and lose sight of the overall picture.
It was the same thing for them (mafia) about killing Rich right away as it is for us today to kill Zaffy right away. Given a chance, we would have loved to prevent or delay Rich's death. And there's no doubt the mafia would stoop to almost anything to delay us from killing Zaffy.
Also in the conversation I pulled, I see discussion about whether Rich lied or not. Please be careful about these things or they take on a new direction of their own just like this. We don't want to get bogged down in details that prevent us from keeping things in perspective.
I'm the one who first said something like Rich could be lying.. or maybe Rich lied.. or something along those lines. (In my response yesterday to TwoHobbies.) Let's not take that part of my statement out of context. That phrasing was just one example I gave TwoHobbies to illustrate my point that the mafia would not wait to kill Rich because that could be risky for them. Their hit was a sure thing; not hitting him would be riskier.
I also gave other examples too.... that Rich might change his mind... was one, as well. Are we to expect someone else will come along to debate whether or not Rich would or should or might change his mind about who he planned to investigate? Be reasonable, folks.
In reality, there's no reason to question whether Rich lied to us. The fact that this point was raised at all like it's been is just plain silly. Nothing Rich said or did supports it.
On another note, TwoHobbies, your final remark that JB is "golden" is absurd. Again, I suppose THAT idea gets attributed to me too since I said I'm not worried about JB right now. Maybe I used the wrong wording or it's been misconstrued, whatever. That doesn't matter. Let me just make it clear what my meaning is.
The context of THAT statement was my belief that the mafia wouldn't have voted openly against Rich only to hit him the very same nightfall. JB and Lady G both voted him... so yes, there's a reasonable basis (on that point) not to suspect them. But that (again) is only one detail... even if it's an important one. Does it miraculously clear them or make them "golden?" Of course not. It would be unwise for any of us to assume that based on just one thing.
To be clear (or more clear if that's what's necessary here)...... I think there's a good chance JB/Lady G may be on the town side and I gave my reason why. That's why I'm not worried about either of them right now. It's also possible that they're scum and I just happened to notice one thing that leans to their favor. For the record... I'm counting both JB and Lady G as neutral. That is always subject to change as we get more information to use to compare against the information we already have. All that means is they are not my top suspects right now and I'm more interested/concerned in the suspects I'm watching. (Don't even ask, I've already posted who they are.)
Guys, this is a tough game (for the town, at least). We have very little to go on the way this has gone. With the lynches already lined up for tonight and the following night, we'll learn very little that we can count on for some time to come. The town still holds a large majority here and we have a great chance of seeing this through to still defeat the scum. Let's not get all caught up in hypothetical speculation about whatever so-called "possibilities" some player thinks of to suggest. (Often times, that stuff comes from the mafia just trying to mess with our heads.) The best thing we can do right now is keep watching, evaluate the real evidence we find along the way, and keep the larger picture in mind.
TwoHobbies, you were concerned yesterday (think it was yesterday) that the only reason Rich was killed was because he told us who he planned to invest next. I seriously doubt that was true so that's why I explained the importance (to the mafia) to kill a known/confirmed PR as fast as they can. Here, Chill is right. They didn't "give up" Zaffy at all.
It was the same thing for them (mafia) about killing Rich right away as it is for us today to kill Zaffy right away. Given a chance, we would have loved to prevent or delay Rich's death. And there's no doubt the mafia would stoop to almost anything to delay us from killing Zaffy.
Also in the conversation I pulled, I see discussion about whether Rich lied or not. Please be careful about these things or they take on a new direction of their own just like this. We don't want to get bogged down in details that prevent us from keeping things in perspective.
I'm the one who first said something like Rich could be lying.. or maybe Rich lied.. or something along those lines. (In my response yesterday to TwoHobbies.) Let's not take that part of my statement out of context. That phrasing was just one example I gave TwoHobbies to illustrate my point that the mafia would not wait to kill Rich because that could be risky for them. Their hit was a sure thing; not hitting him would be riskier.
I also gave other examples too.... that Rich might change his mind... was one, as well. Are we to expect someone else will come along to debate whether or not Rich would or should or might change his mind about who he planned to investigate? Be reasonable, folks.
In reality, there's no reason to question whether Rich lied to us. The fact that this point was raised at all like it's been is just plain silly. Nothing Rich said or did supports it.
On another note, TwoHobbies, your final remark that JB is "golden" is absurd. Again, I suppose THAT idea gets attributed to me too since I said I'm not worried about JB right now. Maybe I used the wrong wording or it's been misconstrued, whatever. That doesn't matter. Let me just make it clear what my meaning is.
The context of THAT statement was my belief that the mafia wouldn't have voted openly against Rich only to hit him the very same nightfall. JB and Lady G both voted him... so yes, there's a reasonable basis (on that point) not to suspect them. But that (again) is only one detail... even if it's an important one. Does it miraculously clear them or make them "golden?" Of course not. It would be unwise for any of us to assume that based on just one thing.
To be clear (or more clear if that's what's necessary here)...... I think there's a good chance JB/Lady G may be on the town side and I gave my reason why. That's why I'm not worried about either of them right now. It's also possible that they're scum and I just happened to notice one thing that leans to their favor. For the record... I'm counting both JB and Lady G as neutral. That is always subject to change as we get more information to use to compare against the information we already have. All that means is they are not my top suspects right now and I'm more interested/concerned in the suspects I'm watching. (Don't even ask, I've already posted who they are.)
Guys, this is a tough game (for the town, at least). We have very little to go on the way this has gone. With the lynches already lined up for tonight and the following night, we'll learn very little that we can count on for some time to come. The town still holds a large majority here and we have a great chance of seeing this through to still defeat the scum. Let's not get all caught up in hypothetical speculation about whatever so-called "possibilities" some player thinks of to suggest. (Often times, that stuff comes from the mafia just trying to mess with our heads.) The best thing we can do right now is keep watching, evaluate the real evidence we find along the way, and keep the larger picture in mind.
