Jeff has the now I'm not sure if John has any. I was discussing them Saturday with Wayne Leibel From the Cichild room companion. He's one of the few people with any experiance keeping Acaronia Nassa so I want to pick his brain and gave him a call. Anyway the Flavs came up and he told me I should try these (which I would love) but tank space being what it is that will have to be a project for another day. You should really consider them awsome fish, filter feeders though and not all can be easly converted to pellets.