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About $80 I believe. You could use an AC 70 on a 10 gallon but you will likely lose the ability to put a heater in it. Aquaclears are great filters though. Very durable and quiet.

Livestock sounds fine but I would add the shrimp before the clown or add them at night (lights out). You don't want the clown thinking its dinner time when you add the shrimp :).

Eventually you will need to move the clown to a bigger tank but if you get a small one it will be ok for a while.

So what kind of lighting are we talking about?
 

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im not really sure. probly along the lines of 24 W, 10000 K. would that work? is there anything else i could use?
 

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About $80 I believe. You could use an AC 70 on a 10 gallon but you will likely lose the ability to put a heater in it. Aquaclears are great filters though. Very durable and quiet.

Livestock sounds fine but I would add the shrimp before the clown or add them at night (lights out). You don't want the clown thinking its dinner time when you add the shrimp :).

Eventually you will need to move the clown to a bigger tank but if you get a small one it will be ok for a while.

So what kind of lighting are we talking about?
a clown would get too big? are there any "dwarf" species?
 

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does anyone have a 10 gallon reef or anything smaller than 20 gallon reef? if so, can i see some pics? im not sure how i will get my LR in and make it look nice.


also, could i hide the heater behing a piece of live rock in the corner, or would this block the heat?




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A full grown female ocellaris will be a heathly 3 to 4". Clowns do not swim a hole lot (mostly wiggle in one place) but mine do appreciate some room to swim. There are no dwarf clowns that I know of. A juvenile clown will take years to reach that size so you will have some time before you need to upgrade and even then a 20 long would be enough. Lots of people run small (pico) systems but I would say most nano size tanks are in the 20 to 40ish gallon range.

What kind of fixture are we talking about. 24 watt compact flourescent, T5HO? A standard aquarium bulb is not going to cut it.

IME, using smaller pieces of rock to build a structure is much more effective that a couple/few larger pieces. If you have trouble finding smaller pieces you can always break big rocks. Shoot for 8 to 12 pounds. You will want water flow around the heater so that the heat is better distrubuted in the tank. Yes you can hide it but don't "encase" the heater in rock.
 

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A full grown female ocellaris will be a heathly 3 to 4". Clowns do not swim a hole lot (mostly wiggle in one place) but mine do appreciate some room to swim. There are no dwarf clowns that I know of. A juvenile clown will take years to reach that size so you will have some time before you need to upgrade and even then a 20 long would be enough. Lots of people run small (pico) systems but I would say most nano size tanks are in the 20 to 40ish gallon range.

What kind of fixture are we talking about. 24 watt compact flourescent, T5HO? A standard aquarium bulb is not going to cut it.
probly T5, im not really sure. what type of lighting would work for my corals?
 

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Compact fluorescent, T5HO, Metal Halide, LED or any combination. On a 10 gallon tank, a fixture with 2 x CF or T5HO bulbs would be sufficient (maybe even one) but your color options will be limited obviously. One 75W halide would be plenty as well. LEDs are a bit trickier as it depends on a number of factors.
 

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Welcome to the dark side of fishkeeping! lol

Okay, on to the thread. For starters, a clown in a 20long would work so long as you kept the 20L open, not to much LR. Now, I recently bought 20lbs of Live Rock. Cost me $200 to do so. So... yea, salt water is expensive. I would (if I were you) save up for however long it takes to reach $1000, then buy the best possible equipment and a 30tall (aprox 29 gal). The 30tall would be plenty to house a clown, and I would use around 40lbs Live Rock (it's what I have right now). You stocking is fine for a FOWLR, but dump the bicolor if you go reef. As for the sump, I'm going to be using a 20L as my sump soon, and sumps are always a good idea with salt water. Lighting.... ouch, it's gonna hurt when you find out the price. I was looking, and the average cost was between $80 and $200 for lighting.... so yea.

When I first started all I bought was sand, LR, salt mix, fish, a filter, a heater, and a powerhead.. Cost me almost $400 back then. Now I added $200 to that for my 20lbs of LR I'm adding to the system, and probably another $50 for new stock (lost all but one for various, mostly unknown, reasons). The sump will add another $300 or so, and lighting for a tall tank like mine... $300 more. Totaled, that $1250 as my bet for my future set up... You will not get far with $100... Yep, I'm a party pooper who just killed that dream, aren't I? lol, sorries.

So, once you have the money, you can start the set up. Get 2 decent powerheads, decent lighting, no filter needed, heater, 20-30lbs of Live Rock for a 20L, 30-40lbs of Live Rock for a 30T. Sand substrate. Start without corals or fish, let the tank cycle (about a month ta two months time, I think). Then add your clean up crew (hermits, snails) and feed every few days. Around a week after that, add the smallest of your fish, then a week later the next few fish. never more then 3 fish at once, to help prevent a mini-cycle.

Now, I may be missing something, but did you say you wanted a 10gal nanotank? At best, stocking would be a pair of firefish and *maybe* corals if you get a good light. For that, maybe a filter. 2 smaller powerheads. Heater. Total cost around $300 or so.

I would not do the 10gal nanotank, they are hard to keep stable. Bigger is generally better, so go as big as you have space and money for. I think the 29gal would be the optimal option, if you can afford it and care for it properly. Save up $$$, read up on info, and take your time. Oh, and don't do what I did and try to rush it, that will ALWAYS end in disaster...

Good Luck, and hope I didn't crush the dream by pointing out the probably price :)

~Siv
 

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Welcome to the dark side of fishkeeping! lol

Okay, on to the thread. For starters, a clown in a 20long would work so long as you kept the 20L open, not to much LR. Now, I recently bought 20lbs of Live Rock. Cost me $200 to do so. So... yea, salt water is expensive. I would (if I were you) save up for however long it takes to reach $1000, then buy the best possible equipment and a 30tall (aprox 29 gal). The 30tall would be plenty to house a clown, and I would use around 40lbs Live Rock (it's what I have right now). You stocking is fine for a FOWLR, but dump the bicolor if you go reef. As for the sump, I'm going to be using a 20L as my sump soon, and sumps are always a good idea with salt water. Lighting.... ouch, it's gonna hurt when you find out the price. I was looking, and the average cost was between $80 and $200 for lighting.... so yea.

When I first started all I bought was sand, LR, salt mix, fish, a filter, a heater, and a powerhead.. Cost me almost $400 back then. Now I added $200 to that for my 20lbs of LR I'm adding to the system, and probably another $50 for new stock (lost all but one for various, mostly unknown, reasons). The sump will add another $300 or so, and lighting for a tall tank like mine... $300 more. Totaled, that $1250 as my bet for my future set up... You will not get far with $100... Yep, I'm a party pooper who just killed that dream, aren't I? lol, sorries.

So, once you have the money, you can start the set up. Get 2 decent powerheads, decent lighting, no filter needed, heater, 20-30lbs of Live Rock for a 20L, 30-40lbs of Live Rock for a 30T. Sand substrate. Start without corals or fish, let the tank cycle (about a month ta two months time, I think). Then add your clean up crew (hermits, snails) and feed every few days. Around a week after that, add the smallest of your fish, then a week later the next few fish. never more then 3 fish at once, to help prevent a mini-cycle.

Now, I may be missing something, but did you say you wanted a 10gal nanotank? At best, stocking would be a pair of firefish and *maybe* corals if you get a good light. For that, maybe a filter. 2 smaller powerheads. Heater. Total cost around $300 or so.

I would not do the 10gal nanotank, they are hard to keep stable. Bigger is generally better, so go as big as you have space and money for. I think the 29gal would be the optimal option, if you can afford it and care for it properly. Save up $$$, read up on info, and take your time. Oh, and don't do what I did and try to rush it, that will ALWAYS end in disaster...

Good Luck, and hope I didn't crush the dream by pointing out the probably price :)

~Siv
No you didn't, Im gonna get a bigger tank for it anyway. Probly a 29 gal or 26 bow. That will leave my 10 gal open to Red clawed crabs. :)

Also, could I make a sump out of a pickle jar or something?
 

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Time out! I'm doin a 20 long with an aquaclear 110 sump!
 
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