Interesting. Got any pics? Damsels are known to be aggressive SW fish, but how has the pecking order worked its way out with your cichlids? If someone else were to do this, it seems like it would make more sense to do this with african cichlids who already have hard water with a bit of salt in it.
This might start some contraversy but...
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the guy didn't come here to make friends, apparently :huh:
i think he knew what a sh*tstorm this would cause. if he was truly just curious, he would have done it in privacy and not told anyone about it. chalked it up as a failed learning experiment.
i think he knew what a sh*tstorm this would cause. if he was truly just curious, he would have done it in privacy and not told anyone about it. chalked it up as a failed learning experiment.
You probably aren't even smart enough to know that almost all saltwater fish are wild caught, so I just told you. I have to agree with everyone else, that is the stupidist thing you could have done to an animal, even stupider than keeping a goldfish in a bowl IMO.managuay86 said:
Why flame the guy. What if it does work?
Whoever thought of putting fish in a glass tank probably got flamed too.
He has only made that 1 post on the subject, Let him explain his side then flame him.
Whoever thought of putting fish in a glass tank probably got flamed too.
He has only made that 1 post on the subject, Let him explain his side then flame him.
He's not the first person to do this. Read the species profile for the blue devil damsel in the Ines fishbook for proof of it. But, regardless if the fish will survive, it WILL NOT THRIVE, and it will if you were to go throuugh with the rather cheap addition of marine salt to a basic 10g tropical starter kit (No more than $75-100 total in most cases), so it is completely wrong and inhumane IMHO.IceH2O said:
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WHile I did not really flame in my initial post ( I was asking if there was any scientific process being used) I have a feeling this is merely anothe "playing god" attemt.
from another of your posts...
quick question... when you "expert hobbiests" give advice is it coming from the text books, personal experience, or what YOU think is right? Has anyone actually went to school or is going to school to actually study fish and fish behavior. I know when I do give advise which is rare because i want people to learn from their own mistakes which sounds terrible yes, but every single hobbiest has lost some fish when they started out if you say you have never lost a single fish then that is a bold faced lie! Anyway When I give advice it is coming from what my professors at my university are teaching me and from my experiences with fish. I only started to get into the hobby when i was 13 which was 7 years ago. I may not be old but i am wise and i know what i am doing.
This can be found in...
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78567&page=2&pp=15
Sorry...no, take that back..i am not. You just plain do not care what you are doing and writing it off as okay, all in hopes of impressing somebody or for the sake of "learning".
Or would it be to impress the professors?
Sumthin fishy...thanks for passing the baton..
Managuay...tell you what I think...get your head out of your a**. You may be not be old but you are nothing but a dumba**, and definitely do not know what you are doing.
quick question... when you "expert hobbiests" give advice is it coming from the text books, personal experience, or what YOU think is right? Has anyone actually went to school or is going to school to actually study fish and fish behavior. I know when I do give advise which is rare because i want people to learn from their own mistakes which sounds terrible yes, but every single hobbiest has lost some fish when they started out if you say you have never lost a single fish then that is a bold faced lie! Anyway When I give advice it is coming from what my professors at my university are teaching me and from my experiences with fish. I only started to get into the hobby when i was 13 which was 7 years ago. I may not be old but i am wise and i know what i am doing.
This can be found in...
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78567&page=2&pp=15
Sorry...no, take that back..i am not. You just plain do not care what you are doing and writing it off as okay, all in hopes of impressing somebody or for the sake of "learning".
Or would it be to impress the professors?
Sumthin fishy...thanks for passing the baton..
Managuay...tell you what I think...get your head out of your a**. You may be not be old but you are nothing but a dumba**, and definitely do not know what you are doing.
:laugh: OMG i NEVER thought I would get so much hate mail... ok you No matter how much I try to explain my case no body will listen becuz everybody is to narrowheaded to understand. My cause for this experiment... to see if a freshwater fish and salwaterfish can coexist with each other, nothing more nothing less. So far they are doing great, I also picked a damsel they are probably the only saltwater fish that has almost the same habits and aggression as new world cichlids. And I know the difference between LIVING and THRIVING and I can definitly say they are not just living. I also have a video of my fish and for those who say im "playing god" well Im a full blooded christian but im also open-minded anyway enough of that.. and if i dont have compassion for a living thing... WELL IM ALSO A FISHERMAN AND CATCHING AND KILLING AND EATING FISH IS KINDA A NORMAL THING FOR ME AND MOST OF MY FRENDS. before anyone can say it... NO I WILL NOT JUST EAT MY PET FISH I CANT EAT MY PETS. anyway thank you for your feedback.
p.s. for the few ppl that were open minded on this subject THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING IGNORANT!!!!!!!!
p.s. for the few ppl that were open minded on this subject THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING IGNORANT!!!!!!!!
This "experiment" Lacks anything of a scientific manner. Your blatent disregard for the wellbeing of creatures under your care is astounding. None of the fish listed can tolerate SW BW conditions for very long, even the damsel will not survive even being close to 1.022 Gravity. This is a pathetic attempt to call cruelty to animals an Experiment. If you were studying for a marine-biology class or an Ichtheology course and I were the professor I would Give this project an F, not because of the the idea but for the sheer Disreguard for a living creature.. you do deserve any hatemail you get.
i think my problem lies in the word "experiment"
fair enough if you want to prove that salt water and fresh can co-exist. but what testing are you doing daily to prove they are thriving, rather than just existing. gut feeling is not scientific. are you taking down daily notes to create some sort of research project?
seriously, what is all this for?
fair enough if you want to prove that salt water and fresh can co-exist. but what testing are you doing daily to prove they are thriving, rather than just existing. gut feeling is not scientific. are you taking down daily notes to create some sort of research project?
seriously, what is all this for?
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