Mafia #12

I'm ok with 24 hours. I think we have a few weasels lined up for kicking. I know where my allies are at least. I will accept anything Swayde or Plant have to say, I will take JL with a grain of salt, everyone else I will take on a post by post basis. I really wish we knew who the Doc protected last night. We were at an End Game scenario and I think the Mafia pretty well outed themselves. There are still a few ambiguous picks though.
 
johnlarson66 said:
Wow it looks like you all had a crazy time right before nightfall. I am glad I missed it. It looked intense.

Somewhere in that mess I am accused of protecting Charlie. I am not sure where that came from and not sure why there was a late train on him.

I am also highly concerned with rbishops directions for people to vote for charlie or ewurm and not doing it himself.

Judgemax has me concerned also.

I vote to lynch ewurm

I also would have judgemax and rbishop next.
I agree w/RB, not sure about Jmax, though she had me concerned also. But I think these next couple of days should give us a better read on or allies.

Good job on the save doctor. Who ever you picked is a known innocent. That could be helpful later.
I agree. GREAT Save, Doc!

I think the town is somewhat split up. We will see who is on the right side.

I think we can assume the miller is gone. I am unsure if it was jpappy or charlie. Either way I think they are gone.
Charlie was the Miller.

Part of me expected mee-mee to be the Don. I wish she would have atleast posted. Well I'm glad she didn't vote. Thanks, Meeeeevil. You helped the town!

Now I have a question, what if ewurm is a non-voter? Do we lynch him anyway? I would think not. I think we might need a plan B. I have a feeling that he will not be back. If he comes back right before nightfall to post, we will get him the next day.
I understand your plan, I'm just not sure if we can get everybody together to make the right moves. If everyone agrees to this plan B, I think RB is a very good 2nd choice.
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I there are 6 Innocents and 4 Mafia, there should be 6 votes on Ewurm.

Here are the end game scenarios from last Night, The Mafia thought they had one this one folks, and they almost did.

13 players last Night, I am assuming 5 Mafia, that would of made the original ratio about 1/3, if you want to think it was 1/4 then there were 4 original Mafia and we are in better shape. So anyways, we lost charlie and pappy, but if we would of lost the person the Dr. saved it would of been 3 Innocents gone. 10 players left, 5-5 Mafia can win. But MM dropped which hurt them, I believe they were frantically trying to contact her leading up to Night. There was no way they could have guessed the Dr. would save someone last Night, and I think they were afraid they were going to lose Ewurm and MM. That takes them down to 2 or 3 players and gives the Town some slack.

But they also didn't know pappy would be killed for hinting he was being blackmailed although I am sure they pushed Ogre to kill him. More on this later but I believe that is why Night was delayed.
 
Here is the problem.

If the lead is 6-4, all Townies MUST vote the same person, if even one Innocent desents they can control us. Don't fear a train because we have numbers and we can continue discussion even after voting. ANYONE not on ewurm is Mafia in my eyes. I don't mind having a Plan B, but it must be decided unanimously.
 
Wow - What a lot I missed yesterday! Hmmm - after posting numerous times that this is a particularly frantic time for me, I refuse to defend my innocence yet again based on the fact that I cannot get on. Come on people, how many times do I have to say that lack of posting makes me neither guilty or innocent - just busy! Please, if you want to find me guilty, do so for legitimate reasons.

DD darling - I am rethinking you completely. I had you and Charlie as hand in hand, and in fact could almost "hear" your out of forum chat in the mafia den! After the unfortunate demise of poor Chas, I am now thinking that you are innocent. Sorry! Glad no one followed my train of thought - I can be stubborn at times.

Last Night's events having me looking in a new direction - mainly that of HN. He was so convincing about Chas. and started the lynch train on him. He may have changed his vote a few times, but I suspect his motives in doing so. As he has stated, he loves throwing a spanner in the works and confusing everyone. He is a clever one that, and I think he may be the Don.

Alas, I only have two suspects right now - Plantling (still) and HN. For now, I vote to lynch HN, and for a 24 hour day.

My computer time will once again be limited today, and hubby has an internet meeting at 8:00 tonight (PA time), which will last until I don't know what time. Believe me, if I get a chance to get on before nightfall, I will. If not, go get em Townies!
 
LAST NIGHT'S TIMING

When I went to bed last night something was bugging me. How did jpappy get the PM that he had to change his vote? The Don would not contact him directly. I believe Ogre AND the DON were online at least 30 minutes prior to Night. The Don is the only one that has the special Blackmail power per the rules so another Mafia could not send that in, and Ogre had to be on to send pappy a PM. This helps us a bit...

Pappy switched his vote from Ewurm to Charlie AFTER helping build the case for Ewurm. Therefore I feel really strongly that Ewurm is Mafia.

JL (If we believe him, and I do); and Sovran were not online. Myself, Swayde, and Plantling were gunning for Ewurm. It narrows somewhat who can be the Don.
 
ZSandmann said:
Here is the problem.

If the lead is 6-4, all Townies MUST vote the same person, if even one Innocent desents they can control us. Don't fear a train because we have numbers and we can continue discussion even after voting. ANYONE not on ewurm is Mafia in my eyes. I don't mind having a Plan B, but it must be decided unanimously.
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Sandy - I will change my vote if needs be, but to my mind, HN looks way more guilty than Ewurm. Whilst I respect what Charlie had to say, he wasn't the detective, and so was also just going on suspicion. HN's actions and postings point more strongly in the mafioso direction than Ewurm's IMO. However, I will do my best to come on at lunchtime and see what direction everyone wants to take. I will follow the concensus of opinion this time - call me a sheep if you want. But we need to win.
 
Sovran said:
Wow - What a lot I missed yesterday! Hmmm - after posting numerous times that this is a particularly frantic time for me, I refuse to defend my innocence yet again based on the fact that I cannot get on. Come on people, how many times do I have to say that lack of posting makes me neither guilty or innocent - just busy! Please, if you want to find me guilty, do so for legitimate reasons.

DD darling - I am rethinking you completely. I had you and Charlie as hand in hand, and in fact could almost "hear" your out of forum chat in the mafia den! After the unfortunate demise of poor Chas, I am now thinking that you are innocent. Sorry! Glad no one followed my train of thought - I can be stubborn at times.

Last Night's events having me looking in a new direction - mainly that of HN. He was so convincing about Chas. and started the lynch train on him. He may have changed his vote a few times, but I suspect his motives in doing so. As he has stated, he loves throwing a spanner in the works and confusing everyone. He is a clever one that, and I think he may be the Don.

Alas, I only have two suspects right now - Plantling (still) and HN. For now, I vote to lynch HN, and for a 24 hour day.

My computer time will once again be limited today, and hubby has an internet meeting at 8:00 tonight (PA time), which will last until I don't know what time. Believe me, if I get a chance to get on before nightfall, I will. If not, go get em Townies!
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This post makes you look guilty Sov, while I do indeed have HN on my suspect list, he is not the one to go after today. We need to unify and finish what we started. A revenge vote for HN is not helping the town. If you are Innocent and are not going to be around to monitor the game, you need to vote Ewurm. Read my posts above and you should agree we do not have the numbers to divide and conquer.
 
Sovran said:
Sandy - I will change my vote if needs be, but to my mind, HN looks way more guilty than Ewurm. Whilst I respect what Charlie had to say, he wasn't the detective, and so was also just going on suspicion. HN's actions and postings point more strongly in the mafioso direction than Ewurm's IMO. However, I will do my best to come on at lunchtime and see what direction everyone wants to take. I will follow the concensus of opinion this time - call me a sheep if you want. But we need to win.
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Yes we do need to win. Pappy was Blackmailed by the Don and forced to vote Charlie. Why would the Don waste his one off special power if they were both Innocent?
 
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