Mafia #12

[Sovran]

OK - I need to go, but Swayde - despite my asking you what further proof you need of my innocence and how I can help, you ignore my requests and have me as guilty. Hmmmm (cocking an eyebrow and looking sideways at you). I look forward to seeing what happens in a few hours.

Enjoy your day everyone, as much as you can! (I know I am certainly going to be looking over my shoulder)

 

[ZSandmann]

ewurm: no solid posts all game that I have found. On much less than previous games and not as "crazy" as in the past. Plus the damning evidence is that the Don blackmailed pappy into taking his vote off Ewurm and putting it on Charlie.

RBishop: I have a case to build here, but in a nutshell he has just been inconsistent. He says that stragglers should move to either charlie or ewurm when he himself was still on another player. Then today he says he will vote for Judgemax where his vote ended yesterday, but it in fact ended on Charlie. It was the deciding vote no less.

Hooked Newbie: I believed you were Innocent early in the game but now I am shaken by the fact you sat on Charlie even after you saw the Blackmail be played. I know you are a smart player, you should have seen what was happening.

DangerDoll: I also had you leaning Innocent at one time, although never very strongly. You are more involved in this game than I have seen you in the past. You say you want to believe Charlie, but then you flop over to him in a moment of weakness?

Sovran: An enigma. I knopw you have been away and the low post count was troubling to me. I thought of voting you yesterday, but I myself was lax at the beginning of this round. I see several questionable players gunning for you and that gives you some credibility but Mafia vote for each other sometimes, it is a good distancing strategy. You sit at a solid 5 on my ranked list.

Judgemax: Had you leaning Mafia but a day can really change things. You offered to vote no one last night, if you were on Ewurm saying that I would of known you were Evil, but now it makes you look pretty Innocent. Plus RB was more or less bullying you, it could be could strategy, it could be a confused Innocent that got suckered in because you were too busy yesterday to be able to fully grasp the situation. Once again I am sorry about those puppies.

johnlarson: You seem to be playing pretty normal except for the crazy vote jumping you did on day 1. On business leave, I'm fairly sure you aren't the Don, but there is still a base chance you are a regular Mafia. You voted Ewurm though, and I think all the Mafia had to be on Charlie to make the votes sway. I'm listing you Innocent currently, but as you knopw there has to be doubt.

Plantling: You all have been confusing me all game with all the pumpkin avatars. I think you are Innocent.

Swayde: Swayde, oh Swayde. Glad to finally be able to say I really feel you are Innocent. It's a strange situation for us, but if the Town is going to win we have to all work together.

 

[ZSandmann]

Sandy - as mentioned above - I am a stubborn one. I do feel more comfortable with HN as the Don right now. However, my vote is subject to change, and I certainly do NOT want to waste it at this point - that would be a disaster. If, in a few hours, and with more than just the 3 of us posting, the concensus is still to lynch Ewurm, you have my assurance that I will change my vote to him, or to whomever the town feels needs to go. I have manged to inveigle another 10 mins on here, so let me know how this sits with you.

The vote tally right now is:

Ewurm: plantling, swayde, ZSandmann, JL, DD
Sovran: HN
JM: RB
HN: Sovran

More than just myself and Swayde feel Ewurm is the next best pick.

 

[plantling]

I've got to get my son's school day started. I'll be checking back in throughout the day. I don't think I'll have much to say because I get the feeling it's going to be pretty quiet while Mafia lick their wounds and try to come up with some sort of plan.

I'd like to reiterate that I believe RB is mafia. I would like to know what ya'll think of JM. I am not sure if RB's voting for her to make it look like she's innocent when she's actually mafia or if he thinks we'd think that and she's really innocent, but us believing she's mafia because of his vote would cause us to distrust her. He's so twisted with his game scenarios, that I wouldn't doubt he's messing with us some how

Sov's posting so far today, and total postings in the game, leave a lot to be desired for a townie. I have her as a definite possible mafia, but that whole DD thing bothers me. If DD is a townie, well then she really goofed up and as over dramatic as she gets it's so hard to tell =(

I think the Mafia is using a bit of psychology here. Sovran approves DD as an innocent but votes HN. RB votes Jmax. I think we're gonna have to dig back into the game to find out which of the 3 of them may be Mafia. But just off of my memory, I remember Ewurm saying that we had lynched the wrong girl. DD was the other girl, I believe. And they killed off Ice who was arguing w/DD, so HN's theory of why they took Ice may be correct. Sovran was also pushing the DD vote. So by all this if Ewurm and Sovran are Mafia, then both DD and HN may be innocent. I'll have to go read some more to be sure.

 

[ZSandmann]

CS, you sure love the hairy word.

I totally agree with you on this one LG. We always do go after someone and then they do turn out to be Innocents. I really didn't see anything wrong with JP's list. Like Ice quoted him "craptastic".

Did he use a comp at the library or at home. That is the question I am thinking at the moment.

You are too funny HN. I just got home from work. And I don't work a set schedule like I did at my previous job. And I now work longer hours than I did before. And I have to go to bed earlier than when I did for the other job. And it has been lightning and thundering here, and hubby don't want the comp to blow out. We have storms for the next 3 days almost. Record high on Sat. 85 (maybe). And just because I have been not posting as much you are voting for me. Not really a strong enough reason.

For now I vote for no one. Subject to change. Not written in stone.

And the winner of the most consecutive excuses goes to.... :hitting:

DC has only posted once. And he usually posts a couple of times before the night ends. He is really laying low. Or unless he can't get the site up. Seems everyone else has no problem being on here.

I am going to be changing my vote JL. I did the no vote for there was no one that stuck out to me. I am deciding who to vote.

I'm not sure DD is Mafia at all. Yes, she does play different than most and is hard to read. And when she was Mafia she hardly posted, and this game she is posting pretty much alot. I don't want to vote for someone who I think is Innocent.

As for LG, she is arguing alot and she is twisting words...

I vote for LG
I will be back with some posts of hers...

And why should there be an issue JL...Ah, did ya miss my vote that I did for LG...ya must have....

Ice, he must have missed the part by Ogre about going back to basics. A no vote does not mean anything at the moment until someone feels comfortable placing a vote for someone who seems plausible. Which I did...

You do what you want JL...

The reason (I will say again), is because there was no one I felt at the moment I wanted to vote for. Too early in the game. And I am not going to do vote changing like you and LG have done. It has gotten me in trouble in the past for changing votes too many times. So I did what I felt was safe at the moment, and then as the day went on, I saw some things and the person I had voted for has been more defensive and argumentative than previous games.....

Ya must have missed this one JL...

And my vote changing had nothing to do with you saying about me not voting for someone..[/quote]

I bolded things of note and where she mentioned other players. I believe this helps confirm my sense of JL's Innocence. They were really going at it. Also, the statement she makes about DD is enough to make me scratch my head. She has a slight conversation with HN as well, but I didn't really get anything out of that. Otherwise she goes after Lady G and Ice, both dead, and DC who isn't even in the game. :grinno:

 

[Dangerdoll]

Sandy - as mentioned above - I am a stubborn one. I do feel more comfortable with HN as the Don right now. However, my vote is subject to change, and I certainly do NOT want to waste it at this point - that would be a disaster. If, in a few hours, and with more than just the 3 of us posting, the concensus is still to lynch Ewurm, you have my assurance that I will change my vote to him, or to whomever the town feels needs to go. I have manged to inveigle another 10 mins on here, so let me know how this sits with you.

Sov, you continue to make yourself look guilty. You need to be supporting the town, not supporting your own ideas. You look more and more mafia as the nights turn.

DD, what did Charlie not answer that had you so freaked out?

The thing is, throughout the first few days, Charlie wasn't paying too much attention to me other than seemingly following my thoughts. Peculiar I thought, so I decided to watch him. I did not want to think he was guilty but being this is the name of the game, I could not realistically assume him to be innocent either. So I was in a tough spot. There were two posts I believe charlie ignored on me. One was the post where I mentioned that we needed to stop talking about the snitch because of how hurt I ws. I believe that was post 687. Peculiar I thought because it was meant for Charlie, it was about something somewhat personal between us, I would think he would have responded to it. I got nothing. The next post was 730, still I got no response. It was like he was trying to tell me something I thought at this point. For the next question I asked in 765, plantling answers this in 796. Then 797, Z suggests that suddenly Charlie was becoming cryptic. I thought for sure, Charlie was privately telling me in actions that he was mafia. He couldn't lie, not after the snitch incident. After I voted, I thought he was then proud that I had caught on. Apparently, this was all a little fantasy of DD though *sigh*

 

[Swayde]

OK - I need to go, but Swayde - despite my asking you what further proof you need of my innocence and how I can help, you ignore my requests and have me as guilty. Hmmmm (cocking an eyebrow and looking sideways at you). I look forward to seeing what happens in a few hours.

Enjoy your day everyone, as much as you can! (I know I am certainly going to be looking over my shoulder)

I am in agreement with Z. Not voting for Ewurm at this point when it's pretty obvious the mafia were trying to protect him last night, makes you and everyone else look suspicious. Voting on anyone else at this point just looks plain old bad.

I quoted my response to you Sovran. The biggest thing you could have done was to move your vote to Ewurm. But you didn't, instead you act like I never responded and then it looks like your trying to say I may be mafia because I didn't answer you and believe you could be? That certainly does bump you up a notch on the mafia meter.

 

[plantling]

Well, I'm not sure if this will make sense, but here goes:

Given the fact that I think we need to "beat the grass" and she is posting so much less so far this game than previous... I retract my vote for Jpappy (for now) and vote to ynch mee-mee. I very well may go back to Jpappy and if I do, feel free to point me out as the "train" starter since I voted that way first. He is still quite suspicious to me so far.

HN changes his vote from Jp to mee-mee...

No votes from... Jmax, Jpappy, KOTD, LadyG, mee-mee, Plantling, Rb, or Sovran.

Votes are a way to get reactions and gather information IMO. Why none yet? It's a long day with plenty of time to change. Not voting looks like laying low to me.

HN tries to get pple to vote...

Guess you could add swayde and dwarf to that list since they have retracted their previous votes.

Still contemplating things here..fine lines, hooked, between starting a train, jumping ship, distancing and laying low.

RB responds, insinuating something about HN...

True enough. Feel free to point out what you think I may be "guilty" of. That could be good info for the town.

HN responds back...

I don't think you are "guilty" of anything, Hooked. My post, if you read it closely, was a statement about folks to watch because they have done exceedlingly well in previous games.

It currently looks like right now the votes have little sound basis to me, but to the individual making the vote, it could be solid as a rock. We all have our own perspective on things.
To me RB's trying to tell HN his vote has little sound basis...
In a short time frame here, it has advanced from low posters to no voters. The typical first day jitters, IMO.

Based on low posts....

I vote to Lynch KOTD...

Definitely subject to change on some solid facts coming forth in the form of typical slip ups.

I don't currently see anyone as being 100% mafia with what little has been posted. There have been some semantic arguements, but no real solid slip ups from what I read.

I think mee-mee is just being her current norm. The last few games she seems a bit distracted and usually seems to be lynched out quickly for them. I am willing to give her a pass for now.
RB seems to be defending mee-mee...

The DD/Ice thing...It has possibilities, but the last two games both started with 2 or three little wars going on during Day 1/2. I will have to wait and see what develops.

As in my post #153, I am watching the same few, just from the standpoint of their past play.

I do believe we need to provoke some responses to get folks involved and without any multi quoting or twisting of meanings, my best thoughts now are...

jpap
charlie
lady
All of these are innocents...

I vote to lynch Lady G

Nope, just an observation from modding the last two games, Charlie. Her actions are consistent with her recent actions in those games.
more defending of mee-mee...



Swayde, the "list" wasn't any certain order, and Lady has posted a bit more than the other two...so there is a bit more to develop a gut feel. My vote will probably change as the day goes on if more info becomes available or we pull together as a town and stop having our votes spread across so many choices.

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I don't think the argument or discussion between RB and HN is contrived and I'm pretty sure RB was trying his best to ward others from voting mee-mee.

 

[Swayde]

Plantling, that helps to clear HN a little bit in my eyes. I can't condemn RB based on his reaction to me Mee-Mee though because I actually agreed with him. I was quite surprised to see that Mee-Mee was mafia, I fully expected her to show up as a townie when she had her untimely death. Don't get me wrong, I think RB is evil as sin, it's just that I can't hang him on that particular case because I did the same thing =/ I'm more concerned with his push for people to vote Ewurm or CS while he himself was on Jmax and then he switched over to Charlie at the last moment and seemed frantic for nightfall to occur. His voting record and lists of all innocence (besides Jmax as an unknown) are all pretty convincing too.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Here is the problem.

If the lead is 6-4, all Townies MUST vote the same person, if even one Innocent desents they can control us. Don't fear a train because we have numbers and we can continue discussion even after voting. ANYONE not on ewurm is Mafia in my eyes. I don't mind having a Plan B, but it must be decided unanimously.

Ok, home for lunch (there should be a 12 step program for this game) and I partially agree with this. I suspect we'll see more than 6 votes on him though.

I retract my vote to lynch Sovran and vote to lynch Ewurm.

I also agree with JL & Plant that we'd be smart to have a unanimous plan b. I've got to read through quick and post what I can, but right now I'd lean to Rb as the plan b. A couple things fell into place last night with him. In a previous post, I mentioned people that were agreeing "easily". I was referring mostly to him and his agreements with the thoughts that led to townie deaths. I think he may be the Don. Off to the rest of the posts... if you have questions or comments for me, I'll be on til about 12:15 then back around 5.