Mafia #14 -- The Play

[johnlarson66]

One last thing about Hooked's death. It very easily could be the mafia taking a shot at someone whose list is totally full of innocents in order to throw us off their trail. Now who would want us off their trail?

They could have thought he was a power role.

I have been thinking about why they hit HN myself. Maybe overthinking.

I do not think his list had much to do with it, I do not think it is "totally full of innocents", but I do not think it is totally full of mafia either. My list is the same.

I am thinking they hit him because he is a good player and could have been a power role.

I think there is much to learn from this hit and this is the right type of discussion.

 

[Lady G]

I agree, you'd think someone would come to their rescue or throw suspicion in a different direction.

Charlie did kind of bring it on himself though and they could be afraid that by trying they will expose themselves. I know when I was mafia and on the block I didn't want anyone protecting me. If I couldn't talk my way out by myself I didn't want anyone going down with me.

From looking at votes and how they fell, I can't really see any protection at all. At post 400 I had

CS -3-JL HN Ogre

DP-1- Sway

LG -2- Jensons Ice

any other person had 1 vote.

post 401- 450

onto Charlie went DP CL DC that made it 5 (JL had jumped to DP)

onto DP went JL DD CoolD that made it 4

no one else had more then 1

451- 476

onto Charlie went Ice, Jpap, DD(came off DP), DJ making it 9

onto DP went no one else DD and Sway came off to make it 2

Does anyone think we should be looking into any of these? We would be looking into..DP, CL, DC, Jpap, Ice, DD and DJ?

 

[johnlarson66]

Good Morning , could not sleep thinking about these two innocent deaths and yes I have antics. Kind of the guy whom always would just jump in head first. It was very kind to hear the town that stayed up last night give me the the benefit of the doubt. I have my doubts with random selection or maybe the dice rolled with the experienced players being mafia. I must admit that I jumped on Charlie because he was already on the ground and headed to the rope. I felt it would be easy prey and trusted the high numbers of votes from the older players. I am actually sitting here at the airport thinking now about how many innocent peoplle are left and ask that you enable me to trust someone to guide me through this process of selection. I think we all wanted to saved our own heads on jump on the fallen. I want to be the first to say I am gratefull that it was not my neck. Sorry Charlie. I am going to wait until the final hours and today avoid looking at the running count and seek-out the mafia guy. Please explain what the numbers of the innocents are left.

After all that is said, this is the post we get. I am going to break it down. My response in blue.

Good Morning ,

I see nothing good about losing two innocents.

could not sleep thinking about these two innocent deaths and yes I have antics. Kind of the guy whom always would just jump in head first.

I can relate to thinking about the game while laying in bed. I have not noticed you to be a player that has jumped in head first. Maybe a player that "stepped into something" is a better way to put it.

It was very kind to hear the town that stayed up last night give me the the benefit of the doubt.

I am not sure how much of the benefit of the doubt is really out there. To many, you are the #1 suspect. I think you will need to particapate more in your own defense if you want to not get lynched.

I have my doubts with random selection or maybe the dice rolled with the experienced players being mafia.

I agree that I do not think the roles were random, but maybe "tweaked". This makes it more likely that each mafia team has at least one newbie.

I must admit that I jumped on Charlie because he was already on the ground and headed to the rope. I felt it would be easy prey and trusted the high numbers of votes from the older players.

I would not trust anyone. If anything the high numbers of votes should have been a red flag.

I am actually sitting here at the airport thinking now about how many innocent peoplle are left and ask that you enable me to trust someone to guide me through this process of selection.

Again, do not trust anyone.

I think we all wanted to saved our own heads on jump on the fallen. I want to be the first to say I am gratefull that it was not my neck.

I am glad you are gratefull that it was not you. This is not a game about personal survial, it is about the town vs the mafia. An uniformed majority against an informed minority. This is not everyone for themselves.

Sorry Charlie.

I also feel that Charlie let us down. Even though not on the final list, I voted for Charlie and thought he was mafia. He also did nothing until it was too late to save himself. He also voted for you.

I am going to wait until the final hours and today avoid looking at the running count and seek-out the mafia guy.

I hope you particapate a little more than you have. Also there is really no "mafia guy", there are two teams of mafia.

Please explain what the numbers of the innocents are left.

There are two less than there were. We are assuming it was 10 vs 8 (2 teams of 4). It is now assumed that it is 8 vs 8 (2 teams of 4). A mafia team wins when they outnumber the town.

I would like to see more from DJmajor. I also think there are some other noobs that are getting a free pass.

I am also concerned on how easy of a target DJmajor is.

 

[johnlarson66]

DC hasnt posted enough for me to get a handle on where he stands. At this point, hes low on my mafia radar.

I am staying with my previous vote, it may change as time goes forward and more information is had.

I vote to lynch LadyG

Why the defense of DC??? There is only one vote on him. No mention of the DJ votes.

 

[Lady G]

Why the defense of DC??? There is only one vote on him. No mention of the DJ votes.

Well, I'm glad to see someone else has noticed this and has questioned Blue...I didn't want to be the first since she voted me, others may not really take me serious just thinking that I was out for revenge. There are a couple things that make me uneasy about Blue. I don't have much time right now but I'll quick try and find what bothered me to post it before I have to go. One is the fact she seems to have "tunnel Vision".

 

[johnlarson66]

**** thats a 1st in 2 team mafia. This sucks, even with the odds in our favor we still lose 2 innocents.

DJ is my 1st choice.

But for investigative sake I'll not place my vote there yet. Don't want a train to sit on DJ and stop us from looking at others.

A good start would be to look at HNs list. From that we can determine if its because he was close or way off.

Looking through the posts it looks like HNs list was basically the same as mine

Charlie
DJ
JM
DP

I'd throw in LG.

For some reason and its only feelings at this point from thread reading but Jpap and Sway give me uneasy feelings.







Then we have the thread translators. I have never seen so many explanations and translations for other peoples posts.




I'd like to ask JM something about this post.

Why are Ogre, JL, DP and DD all capital letters but everyone one else is lower case except the G in LG. Is this some kind of hidden message to the other mafia team to not take out these players? I can see JL DD and DP but I don't understand Ogre at all.

Either that or all of the players lower cased are your team members.

That actually fits better with the number of players and whats expected to be on the mafia teams.

So your team would be

JM
Blue
Swayde
Jensons

am I close?

Heres an updated list

I think I've even got them broke down into teams

JM
Sway
Blue
Mad


LG
DC
Jpap
DJ

I don't have time to break down why at this time but if you read through you might get the same feeling with these people in mind.

I am not sure how Ice came to name the 2 teams or what is even going on here. Is this because of the Caps?

Ice's tossing out of names and teams and really no way of understanding where he is coming from. I have read through and I do not get it at all.

 

[Blueiz]

Why the defense of DC??? There is only one vote on him. No mention of the DJ votes.

I havent defended DC, I made a statement

DC hasnt posted enough for me to get a handle on where he stands.

This means that nothing significant has stood out to me and that as also stated, he is low on my mafia radar.

DC was being talked about in some previous posts before I made mine. I wanted to give my thoughts concerning him..

 

[johnlarson66]

DC hasnt posted enough for me to get a handle on where he stands. At this point, hes low on my mafia radar.

I am staying with my previous vote, it may change as time goes forward and more information is had.

I vote to lynch LadyG

Let's post the whole quote again. Let's also pay special attention to: At this point, hes low on my mafia radar.

 

[Lady G]

Ok, since I only have a minute these are just a couple things that bothered me.

My thoughts, Im still suspicious of JM and Charlie pointing the finger at me so soon, the reasoning behind it being so early in the game doesnt make since to me at all. Altho Im glad JM acknowledges that I am smart... everyone in this game is. The only unique thing about me is that I am new.

Judgemmax is highest on my list of suspicious ppl. Not because she voted to lynch me, but because she came out throwing heavy accusations so early in the game. Makes me wonder if JM just wants take the heat off herself using the ploy of drawing attention to her by accusing me.

Nothing really points to anything...everything points to something.

Bolded, what I found "interesting" Ok, Jmax is her highest suspicion, (mine too at that point) but she doesn't vote Jmax no she votes Me? Then I don't think Jmax threw HEAVY accusations, yes she said she thought Blue to be mafia...but nothing HEAVY.

Im not worried about being in danger from your vote to lynch me, I have nothing to hide. If people want to lynch me, an innocent..it will be the towns loss. Your defensiveness tells me youre hiding something. Confidence in yourself is always a plus, makes no differnce to anyone else unless you are right. You pegged me becasue I am smart and because YOU think that you think like RB..some pretty solid reasons there.

Proclaiming innocent

I believe DP is a decoy of some sort. I think hes mafia that has been sent out to draw attention away from the higher ups intentionally. The goofy "blonde" act is so obvious. If DP is innocent, why isnt he trying to help, why does he brush off the town, why was he not prepared to look for the game when he new it was going to be starting? I cant really comment on his posting style in other games, but I can say that a lot of attention has been directed toward him which could have been placed elsewhere. So, has the mafia sacrificed one of there own to get the heat off the big dogs? OR, is DP playing the part that he knows will make ppl think voting for him will be "wasting" a vote so he can bide his time?

My list of suspicisios ppl so far in no particular order:
DP--reason listed above

JM-- for being highly defensive of her innocents and stating several times that she thinks is "innocent" this time so she can say what she wants.

LG-- seems as if a lot is said that has no real meaning, a lot of questions are asked that are..well..silly on occasion becuase if the full context of what is said is taken in then there would be no question as to what is meant. Seems as if LG is trying to make ppl "slip up" through using a confusion tactic.

HN-- Just have a feeling.

CS-- Charlie is Charlie, he can never be trusted

JL-- Just have a feeling.

This is the post that bugged me the most. First she say's Jmax is saying she is innocent...well isn't that what Blue did? She has stated that Charlie can NEVER be trusted, can we really trust anyone one day one? HN and JL are just feelings (ok, we all do that, nothing odd) I am posting w/ no meaning. Now of these choices logic would say she would vote CS or Jmax wouldn't it? Since they seem to be of higher "value" to her argument, but no she chose me?
I get votes alot and try not to let it bother me too much, so really I'm not bringing this up b/c of that, but IMO it made no since...especially since one of her "highest" was up for lynching...why not go with him?

 

[Blueiz]

Well, I'm glad to see someone else has noticed this and has questioned Blue...I didn't want to be the first since she voted me, others may not really take me serious just thinking that I was out for revenge. There are a couple things that make me uneasy about Blue. I don't have much time right now but I'll quick try and find what bothered me to post it before I have to go. One is the fact she seems to have "tunnel Vision".

Do you think I have tunnel vision because I have not taken my vote off of you? If anythng, you have given me more of a reason to keep you high on my list of suspected mafia. Something very interesting I have taken more of a notice to concerning you is that you are very clever at trying to shift focus. Take posts 729-740 for example. You went from being defensive in post 738 to showing care and concern for the town in 739. You have yet to answer DD's questioning of you in post 740. Was this an oversite? Did I miss your answer? Or are you breathing a sigh of relief that you possibly shifted the focus off of you?