Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play

[Lady G]

I'm not exactly sure, but I think that it is locked after nightfall. Not sure if we get to learn what happened during nightfall before it is locked. Clown? Please tell me you aren't going to stress us all out over Christmas not knowing what happened during the night?



I don't need you to be planked LadyG, I need the town to help me figure out which of my suspected pirates is the most pirate and hopefully Blackbeard. I don't have my vote on you...yet.

I've already explained that I couldn't be the watchman if I had switched to pirate (which I didn't). And c'mon do you really expect the town to believe that you pirates would have wasted a hit on me if I had turned pirate? Puhleez, you'd have taken me aboard your pirate ship and offered me grog and had me help you carry out a hit on a known innocent. Not have wasted it on another pirate.

And no, you didn't focus solely on RB, but you were uber focused on him. So was I for some time (thanks to your posts), but I caught the clues he was putting out there and realized that there were other pirates to find and was open enough to realize that JM was much more obvious. Why didn't you?



Eh, my fellow townspeople aren't stupid. Clown may have made a complex game but he did NOT allow for the watchman to be a pirate. They can read what I've already said on this and wonder why you're so desperate to keep trying it.

When exactly did you find these "clues" and if you found them why didn't you post about them so maybe others would see it too, and switch their votes then Grins??
I'm not "Desperate" to keep trying it, I know it can happen, it's happened in plenty of games where ppl are switched and keep their power.
I'm not saying I want to Plank you either at the time, and like I said when I first posted it, it was just a thought. You have convienced me even more with your all out war against me. For even mentioning it, had you come out with more...could be, but your wrong or something like that...it would be different, but you came out, all "MAFIA AWARD" to me and everything else. Sorry I wasn't being DRAMATIC, I was taken back and for you to even act like it didn't surprise you in the least that RB was innocent, has me more than concerned.

 

[Grins]

I believe you've also made the comment yourself that I should go "kick my pirate coaches" and wake them up...though I'm pretty sure your comment was more in jest over the previous accusations then you actually thinking I had some.

BINGO.

 

[LesbianChap]

Just wanted to add to this, your second question...why would you switch to Jmax (last minute to), well....to make it look even better....OH but my vote was on a Pirate. See, Grins this is why last minute vote changes sometimes back fire...you no the more you talk, the more I am thinking I'm right on this.

Sorry, but it was just a thought when I posted it, something to think about. But the way you came out all guns blazin about it, well it's made me think. Yep, it would be a perfect "pirate" plan. You switched sides being the watchman, you stayed on RB till the very last minute when you KNEW he was going to be planked and switched to JM, who wasn't...I don't know if you knew Ice was going to take her out...but you guy's put your hit on yourself, you put your protection on yourself, and when Ice did hit Jmax, it made you look all the more better cause well you were on a Pirate at the end.

You see I thought it was weird that Clown included your name, usually the "save" doesn't include the persons name, look back on night one...did it say who was protected NO it didn't did it, hmmm I wonder why it did this time.

OR the first night's save wasn't the Watchman's protection...and CL didn't want to give away the pirate's target.

 

[Lady G]

Maybe to give we innocents ONE freaking advantage seeing that our power roles can barely communicate while the pirates are throwing a drunken grog party in some private chatroom.

I have stuff to run off an do for a bit guys. LadyG, by all means keep posting theories that I'm not really innocent...your desperate theories are only going to make you look worse. A little hint like I gave to Beth (an innocent), if you're truely innocent how about stopping with the hyper focus on defending yourself and show those in the town that aren't sure about you (like LC) more reason to think others like Blue are pirates?

If you'd rather stay uber focused on me like you did with RB though..be my guest.

I really don't need hints Grins, but thanks.

OR the first night's save wasn't the Watchman's protection...and CL didn't want to give away the pirate's target.

If it wasn't the Watchmans protection...what do you think it was Lchap?

I have to go guy's BBL

 

[LesbianChap]

There seems to be a change in the air.. As to what it is specifically the villagers do not know but they can almost feel it, it is so perceptable.. It is only a deep bone feeling, but it feels so evil. The watchman being the ever villagagent person, spies on Black Beards ship way out past the harbor with a telescope and sees that the men/womean are celebrating.. They have dragged out what looks to be a barrel of grog and are toasting each other.. Since this is a low tech world and and the Watchman is only receiving video not audio he can only guess as to what the celebration might be, but it seems that it is centered around one person.

either

Just pulling this up for you, LG...If the celebration was around Grins switching sides as you are trying to suggest, it's quite obvious the Watchman wasn't the one to switch sides...So Grins could not have protected himself...erm, herself?

 

[LesbianChap]

Special Occurrences

Through the course of the game some special occurrences may happen and will be decided by random number generator.

• During any night of the game a townie may find a pirate lurking through the town by accident and shoot them in self defense.
• During any night of the game a pirate may terrorize the watchmen voiding any investigations for that night.
• During any night of the game a townie may choose to convert to a pirate because he is tired of the governor’s rule.
• During any night of the game the thief may find him/her self a lass/mate that knocks them off their feet and makes them change their dastardly ways.
• During any night of the game a player may receive a drunken induced vision that tells them one of the Pirates. (This will never be the Captain)
• During any night of the game the Captain might become unconscious due to overdrinking grog and not be able to get a hit on a townie.
• During any one night of the game a lynch or a hit may not happen.
• During any one night of the game a townie may get a special ability to hide a potential hit in their root cellar.

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  Second to the last one, put in italics...It was either the Watchman's protection, or this special event. Makes it logical if a random event prevents the hit, the gamemaster would not want to give away the name of the pirate target to the unsuspecting innocents.
  
  And seeing the Watchman's protection actually work once DOES give the name of the pirate's target...I'm even more convinced it was this random, special event.

 

[LesbianChap]

Second to the last one, put in italics...It was either the Watchman's protection, or this special event. Makes it logical if a random event prevents the hit, the gamemaster would not want to give away the name of the pirate target to the unsuspecting innocents.

And seeing the Watchman's protection actually work once DOES give the name of the pirate's target...I'm even more convinced it was this random, special event.

The quote jacked up...if you go back to the rules on page 1, the second to last special event on the list says: During any one night of the game a lynch or a hit may not happen.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Off work early (gotta love network freezes!) and I see a few very interesting things already today.

From clowns post , I gather that there is a new captain on board the pirate ship. This means that we now have to basically start over looking for who this is. I feel that it is a low poster, one that we wouldnt readily recoginize a change in there post style,, unless of course they started to post more. I think that it would have been handed of to someone that wasn't being really questioned.

Blue- The first highlighted sentence almost sounds like you're making your own case that YOU are the Captain. That would be foolish. I believe you're a Pirate, but I know you are far from foolish. The second one contradicts that, since you have been being questioned.

I believe that you are an intentional distraction.

Lady G- You're right, Grins is not a known innocent, but she is the closest thing to a living one that we have. I think you've fully come out by choosing only to focus on the remote possibility that she isn't and by trying to introduce confusion to the town with your wild theories. I agree that by the rules, it appears possible, but in many games you've played where it was possible for a PR to be taken by the evils how many times has it happened? Once, I believe. AND the fact that Clown's post said the Watchman was the one that saw the celebration pretty much blows that theory out of the water.

I believe you are also a distraction.

Mad- Well played as always.

I vote to make Mad walk the plank.

 

[mee-mee]

Thank you G...I did see your list, and the only person that I have a gut feeling about right now is JP. And my gut is telling me he is one of us. A townie. He has become an experienced player, and he does play different when he is a bad person. He is less vocal and less helping. And here he is pulling out all the stops...

Yep..lol

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And I trust you....so far.


MeeMee, I did believe you.


Clown, sincerely no problem.



MeeMee, please read 1058 for my thoughts



There were 2 guardsmen. Ice was the first and killed JM. Rb was the 2nd and killed Ice. Then the town lynched Rb.

I dont think JP is a Pirate...

A couple of new

1. It should now be obvious to all that I am indeed an innocent townie so I might as well stay being vocal and lay my thoughts plainly out there.:silly:
2. The spa here in the Hampton's rock! Thanks for the temporary digs guys.
3. I suspect that JL met his demise by this special rule " During any night of the game a townie may find a pirate lurking through the town by accident and shoot them in self defense.
4. JM, knew you were pirate scum.
5. Ice, thank goodness I had played an earlier game with you before to know how to read you and know when I could trust you. Otherwise I'd have been sitting here in the dark when playing as a townie. Thank you for getting that pirate wench JM for us all.
6. Rb, I was starting to doubt my convictions about you last night when you made post 832 There were 3 parts that I felt were clues. The part about HN and Ice having the same issues as you, well I pretty much knew that Ice was innocent and this seemed to point out that you thought HN was too. Then parts about going after a middle of the road player and then the part about re-reading Clown's messages made me wonder if they weren't a clue that you were actually a power player, but one that was "middle of the road". Guard, Watchman? Not sure, but I decided it was worth focusing on one of the other suspected pirates instead and begin to think about switching my vote. Rb, sorry you are dead since you were an innocent as I was figuring out a bit late, but why oh why did you hit Ice? Who the flip is out there running this town because it is starting to feel as if we townies are being left to figure it out ourselves. I mean c'mon, you allowed one guard to hit the other?
7. And lastly I want to list who I suspect are the additional pirates. So far we know that Judge and JL were both pirates. And that Ice, Rb, Beth, Mg, Lupin, and I have been innocents. That leaves 9 players: Blue, DD, HN, JP LC, LG, Mad, Mal, and MeeMee.
8. I suspect that Blue, DD, JP, LG, and Mad are probably pirates.
9. Blue and DD because of them not catching my error in calling out Blue and DD when it should have been Blue and JM. They were trying to protect JM...who may have been Blackbeard and gave her post to a new captain to protect the ship because of how Bob and a few others were calling her out. That would explain Clown's hint.
10. JP, still think that vote to get MeeMee out of nowhere after JL's post was scummy. Now that I know JL was scum, you're his pirate bunkmate in my mind.
11. LG, sorry but I've been feeling uneasy about you for the past day. You've been helpful yes, but maybe too helpful in getting me to see Bob as a pirate. Could that be because you knew he was not a pirate all along and you cleverly went after him and managed to get me and others to go along with you? I don't trust you right now, I didn't tell you that earlier because being out here all alone I wanted to see what you'd do and if you'd pick up on Bob's clues he was tossing around.
12. Mad, I had heard you were a clever player when I last played this game. You were one that I was told a few times to watch out for. And right now since it is out that I'm an innocent townie let me say that you're being watched and I hope that others can pick up on this and those that can talk as innocents will.
13. As for HN, LC, Mal, and MeeMee. HN seemed to pick up on the same thing i did about what Bob was saying so he gets a pass for now. LC, sorry but again I think you're just too confused to be a pirate. Mal, you might be a pirate but I'm guessing not. And MeeMee? You calling out JL over the past few days explains enough to me to believe that you're innocent too.

So there you go. My thoughts from the Hamptons. Hans is here to give me my evening massage. Oh and pirates thanks for giving a townie a taste of the good life. :silly:

My late vote for RB was a horrible mistake and I should have kept it on JL. As for me and you being linked (LC), I never thought once about it. And no one else did also. And as far as I am concerned, I don't think you are a pirate also. I have to revise my list. As I said it was not set in stone. And you have helped us out tremendously...

Tried to copy/paste these, hope I didn't mess them up in the process...looked like some of the votes in day one were kinda out of order (Judge had a vote, then another entry for JM had a vote, so I combined them into one line) and hope I didn't jack them up in the process...
First Look: Voting records
Day One
(I)Beth (6) by HN(87), HN(392), DD(414), Mal(416), Mad(477), Grins(490), LC(497)
LC (3) by Beth(524), JM(530), Blue(538)
mee-mee (2) by JL(457), Jp(481)
(P)JM(2) by RB(508), Ice(603)
(I)RB (1) by JL(80). LG(503)
(P)JL (1) MeeMee (563)
JPap (1) Lupin(599)
HN (0) by Beth(90)
Mad (0) by LC(251)
Lupin (0) by ICE(399)
(I)MG - RIP (0) by ICE (305), HN (387)

Day Two
(I)RB (7) --- Ice(655), Grins(677), LadyG(703), Mal(876), DD(882), Blue(905), JP(941), Mee-mee(989)
(P)JM (5) --- RB(786), HN(835), LC(872), Mad(883), Grins(975)
MM (1) --- JL(807)
LC (1) --- JM(841)
Bala (0) --- LC(705)

Alright, so the people who voted for innocents BOTH nights: DD, Mal, LG.
The people who voted for known pirates BOTH nights: RB

Who known pirates have voted for, day 1: Mee-mee, LC
Who known pirates voted for, day 2: Mee-mee, LC

I don't like the latter part...seems to link me and Mee-mee to them, but I can't change the facts. I also can't change how I called Mee-mee one of my suspected innocents before nightfall. I don't think either of which look well on me, but I'm not going to hide it...it's there to see.

Since RB is an known innocent, and the only one to vote for known pirates both nights, that helps us little. I think it's interesting how DD is on the top of everyone's pirate suspects for day 3, and also one of the few people who's voted against an innocent each night. Not a tell, but not a good sign either.

No, it will be locked after the night fall of Friday. And he will still give us what we need...

Ok, quick question here. Is the game going to be locked after FRIDAY then? If it is locked tonight...how are we going to have nightfall on Friday??

My gut is telling me that JP is not a Pirate...and yes, now I am defending him...For I don't think he is a pirate...Why the sudden change for me. He is not playing like a bad person..Sorry about that JP...

I agree with most of your suspected pirates, but I still think you're one or two heavy...I'm going to have to place my highest suspicions on JP, DD, and Blue, with Mad and LG being a possible fourth, but I doubt there's a fifth pirate still alive. If I had to pick between DD, Blue, and JP, I'd say it's pretty equal between DD and Blue for pirate-ness...But this early in the third day I'm going to vote for Blue...I think she's the bigger threat. JP's case is more about who he appears to be linked to then anything else, DD's voted for a known innocent each night, and Blue has voted for an innocent each time as well...and I think Blue's trying to offer a peace token if I don't do this by saying

And I've decided to do it anyways

I vote to make Blue walk the plank.
And of course, I may change it at any point if anyone more interesting presents themselves...

 

[Grins]

When exactly did you find these "clues" and if you found them why didn't you post about them so maybe others would see it too, and switch their votes then Grins??

I've already explained when in 1058:

Rb, I was starting to doubt my convictions about you last night when you made post 832 There were 3 parts that I felt were clues. The part about HN and Ice having the same issues as you, well I pretty much knew that Ice was innocent and this seemed to point out that you thought HN was too. Then parts about going after a middle of the road player and then the part about re-reading Clown's messages made me wonder if they weren't a clue that you were actually a power player, but one that was "middle of the road". Guard, Watchman? Not sure, but I decided it was worth focusing on one of the other suspected pirates instead and begin to think about switching my vote. Rb, sorry you are dead since you were an innocent as I was figuring out a bit late, but why oh why did you hit Ice? Who the flip is out there running this town because it is starting to feel as if we townies are being left to figure it out ourselves. I mean c'mon, you allowed one guard to hit the other?

Did I know he was an innocent? No, not until he was lynched. But I had a clue that he might not be as I said up above. His clues were enough to make me look at others but not enough to have me convinced he wasn't a pirate. I figured I'd take my vote off of him when I discovered the misquote I had made concerning Blue & DD (the one that should have read Blue & JM). I hoped that any of the other innocents would question me doing it and look closer at what I was saying about who the other more likely pirates were (JM).

And before you ask, why did I risk not having more people vote for JM? Because Ice put it out there as plain as day that he was the guard and was going to get JM:

But Grins, what if Clowns announcement was the Captain switch? I say go back to Rb and let the Guard if they see fit take care of JM. If not JM is going to be the vote tomorrow anyway.

I'm not "Desperate" to keep trying it, I know it can happen, it's happened in plenty of games where ppl are switched and keep their power.
I'm not saying I want to Plank you either at the time, and like I said when I first posted it, it was just a thought. You have convienced me even more with your all out war against me. For even mentioning it, had you come out with more...could be, but your wrong or something like that...it would be different, but you came out, all "MAFIA AWARD" to me and everything else. Sorry I wasn't being DRAMATIC, I was taken back and for you to even act like it didn't surprise you in the least that RB was innocent, has me more than concerned.

So let me ask you in return, if I had suddenly switched from an innocent to a pirate (which I still find laughable), wouldn't the pirates onboard the pirate ship be telling me that such scenerios had existed in the past? I am not aware of them as a newer player but certainly the pirates aren't all newbies and one of them would have said "hey Grins easy there, LG is going to bust you on that" But nope, I don't have any such thing happening. I'm sitting here on my own playing and calling it as I see it as I have been all along. And LadyG, I think you're a likely pirate and want other innocents to take a harder look at you.

OR the first night's save wasn't the Watchman's protection...and CL didn't want to give away the pirate's target.

Although he thankfully gave away a huge clue about it. I mentioned it here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by clown-lover
They comb the village looking for their intended victim knowing that he wouldn't be in the group that was lauching some poor woman off the edge of a boat for their crimes against the town


1) OK, so which man did not vote for Beth and of those which would the pirates consider the biggest threat? I'm thinking the clues will be there.

2) Beth, I'm sorry. I really wanted to help you make a case for someone else but I obviously misread your frustration as you tried to provide one.

and here:

I think this was where the votes ended up.

Beth (6) by HN(392), DD(414), Mal(416), Mad(477), Grins(490), LC(497)
LC (3) by Beth(524), JM(530), Blue(538)
MM (2) by JL(457), Jp(481)
RB (2) by LG(503), Ice(618)
JM(1) by RB(508)
JL (1) MeeMee (563)
JP (1) Lupin(599)

So that means that men not voting for Beth were:
JL, JP, Ice, Rb, and Lupin.

Of that list I've already said that I think Bob is a pirate 544, and since I'd think Bob would consider Ice the biggest threat my guess is that the pirates tried to hit Ice.

Now in the same post 544 I said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grins
6. IceH20: Unsure, with Ice I'll have a stronger feeling of pirate or not once I see if someone he is going after hard is innocent or guilty. He seems to play hard whichever role he is playing and it can throw me off when trying to figure him out. If he goes after someone hard and they turn out to be innocent (like he did with DD when she was Santa) I'll know he is swigging back pirate rum and fighting off skurvy.

So Ice I'm ready to make my call on you now. I believe you're innocent. And Rb, I think you're pirate scum.

I vote to make Bob walk the plank.

I was way off in thinking Rb was pirate mafia at that time but I'm glad it was off because it gave me a reason to trust Ice. I'll be more careful about why I trust him next time, but for the time being I'm glad I did.

I really don't need hints Grins, but thanks.

If you're innocent like Beth was it could serve you well. If you're a pirate I'm not surprised in the least.

Just pulling this up for you, LG...If the celebration was around Grins switching sides as you are trying to suggest, it's quite obvious the Watchman wasn't the one to switch sides...So Grins could not have protected himself...erm, herself?

Thank you

And seeing the Watchman's protection actually work once DOES give the name of the pirate's target...I'm even more convinced it was this random, special event.

Thank you again

Blue- The first highlighted sentence almost sounds like you're making your own case that YOU are the Captain. That would be foolish. I believe you're a Pirate, but I know you are far from foolish. The second one contradicts that, since you have been being questioned.

I believe that you are an intentional distraction.

Glad it isn't only obvious to me.

Lady G- You're right, Grins is not a known innocent, but she is the closest thing to a living one that we have. I think you've fully come out by choosing only to focus on the remote possibility that she isn't and by trying to introduce confusion to the town with your wild theories. I agree that by the rules, it appears possible, but in many games you've played where it was possible for a PR to be taken by the evils how many times has it happened? Once, I believe. AND the fact that Clown's post said the Watchman was the one that saw the celebration pretty much blows that theory out of the water.

1. thank you
2. Ya know, there should be a rule that all newbies get to play on a communicating team at least 2 games so they can learn some of this history easier.

Mad- Well played as always.

I vote to make Mad walk the plank.

Interesting, I've been wondering who some of the experienced players would think was Blackbeard and possibly being protected by Blue's post you quoted as well. I've not yet decided where I'll place my vote and open to hearing why you think Mad is the likely captain.

Thank you G...I did see your list, and the only person that I have a gut feeling about right now is JP. And my gut is telling me he is one of us. A townie. He has become an experienced player, and he does play different when he is a bad person. He is less vocal and less helping. And here he is pulling out all the stops...I dont think JP is a Pirate...
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Interesting, thanks for that insight on how he has played before. What are your thoughts on who is a pirate right now?