Mafia #23 Revenge

[Madcrawdad]

Sure... The below are the messages and she has been using as references to the Pirates game. There was a period of time where I was getting a flurry of PM's from her as the Game Mod specifically about how to play her role and how others could/would play theres (she was actually killing me with some of the questions she was sending). What she could do, what she couldn't do in her role as the Governor. She felt that I pretty much made the role a sitting duck to her estimation but I told her she had to think out of the box. Anyway during this period there was a set of messages in which she asked me if she could give away her identity to the guards (good vig's and she was afraid one of them was going to hit her for her aggressive play style. There were two ICE and RB but she didn't know there were two) through the magistrate via the watchman since she thought the watchman would be the guards's boss. And I told her she could only hint to her true identity in the thread and not through the magistrate. She wasn't happy with that because she knew the pirates would probably pick up on it as well)

Anyway long story short there were other PM's and discussions however I believe that this is a hint to me because of that specific reference to ICE and the Pirates Game and she was amazed that ICE was one of the Guards(RB actually hit him) and some of the hints he was using in the game to give away his identity at the time. I might be wrong as I have stated and she could very well be mafia.. But I don't like lynching people that I feel might be helpful to the town just because I might have read them wrong.. You know how she played in that game as well as I do, but like I said I might be wrong but she is a good player and I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face.. It is that last reference that is bugging me.. Understand??

Sorry, not seeing it.... but if you want to believe that's fine, because I can't tell you what to think.

So you're saying that if at some point someone is in jeopardy of being lynched (by you) they can say 'Clown, remember back to Mafia 10....I was innocent,' that you'll just go away? Seriously. You say that you're still closely watching Grins, but you've just wiped her slate clean of everything that you deemed scummy on Day 1. Please note that my point isn't to push Grins here....it's your actions that kind of seem a little off.

 

[Blueiz]

My only problem with that Blue is tunnel vision. I'm not sticking up for Grins in fact I have stated that she very well may be mafia.. I have stated I would like to hear some of your thoughts on other players did I not.. And if I didn't excuse me as there are several players that I have put that next to them and you should have been one of those players. I do think that there are others that might be mafia. But one thing I have learned in this game is that the people that are singling picking on one player and one player alone are those that need to be watched more than anyone else simply because they are not catching other errors that are happening and have proven time and time again that this type of play style is a mafia type of play style.

Hmmm...no tunnel vision here clown. If that was the case, why would I bother reading the posts after I cast my vote? Feel free to look at me all you want to, I do expect that.

And yes, you have tickled my brain...

 

[Lady G]

Ok, I am going to throw something out there, the 50/50 thing....does anyone think maybe it had to do with who we had up for a lynching??? I realize there were 3 ppl, so 50/50 isn't quite right....but MAYBE we had a 50/50 chance at hitting one (we just took the wrong one?), I am HORRIBLE with numbers so someone else needs to figure out what the actual % chance was with that.

Then the statement of be FOUR...I am going to comment on that here in a second with Z's post.

Sure... The below are the messages and she has been using as references to the Pirates game. There was a period of time where I was getting a flurry of PM's from her as the Game Mod specifically about how to play her role and how others could/would play theres (she was actually killing me with some of the questions she was sending). What she could do, what she couldn't do in her role as the Governor. She felt that I pretty much made the role a sitting duck to her estimation but I told her she had to think out of the box. Anyway during this period there was a set of messages in which she asked me if she could give away her identity to the guards (good vig's and she was afraid one of them was going to hit her for her aggressive play style. There were two ICE and RB but she didn't know there were two) through the magistrate via the watchman since she thought the watchman would be the guards's boss. And I told her she could only hint to her true identity in the thread and not through the magistrate. She wasn't happy with that because she knew the pirates would probably pick up on it as well)

Anyway long story short there were other PM's and discussions however I believe that this is a hint to me because of that specific reference to ICE and the Pirates Game and she was amazed that ICE was one of the Guards(RB actually hit him) and some of the hints he was using in the game to give away his identity at the time. I might be wrong as I have stated and she could very well be mafia.. But I don't like lynching people that I feel might be helpful to the town just because I might have read them wrong.. You know how she played in that game as well as I do, but like I said I might be wrong but she is a good player and I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face.. It is that last reference that is bugging me.. Understand??

OK, Clown..she may of very well been hinting to you......but, I personally could see it another way, remember when she mentioned your avatar and how you used it last game as a "hint" you were mafia, well are you sure she wasn't "hinting" to you b/c she thinks you are mafia, and she wants you to realize you are on the same side. I am not saying I think you are mafia at this point...just stating what may of been going on with her "hints" or have you thought maybe she did this on purpose knowing you would think she was innocent? You seem to be putting ALOT of trust in this, I know if I was mafia and I knew "hinting" something to someone would make them think I was innocent....I sure would do just that, or the other way around, if I thought you were mafia and wanted you to realize we were on the same side, I would do it for that reason also.
Sorry but she is still one of my top suspects and will remain so, and with this "hint" to you....AFTER she questioned you about your avatar and it's meaning, well, I'm more apt to think she may of thought you mafia this round again and was trying to "communicate" to you with those post, not trying to get you to see her as innocent, but trying to get you to see she is mafia.

King is a good player, but he is also head strong and often plays his own game.

Thanks for showing us Grins' "hints". They may mean something to you but I don't see anything there that proves Innocence to me. And if Grins is Mafia, they could very well drop hints to you in hopes of getting you to do exactly what you are doing. I'm not saying you are proclaiming their Innocence, but you have a doubt, and sometimes that's all it takes. Grins was the lead voter getter yesterday up until an hour or so from Night when votes suddenly started shifting. That is telling to me, on top of Grins' body of posts. If Grins is Mafia, we all seem to more or less sense that, so would the other Mafia team. Four votes aint much of 21 (20 with joanders long walk) but it is enough to cause a shift. So here is the complete voting record from yesterday.

Day One Ends: 7PM CST Tuesday 1/8
(21 Players) No Vote: (1) joander,
1-LesChap: LesChap(4)LadyG (205)Grins(309) Zsandmann(920) Malbri(939)
1-HN: judge(7)Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
1-JM: ILB(14)HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560)Ice(582) Grins(718)Ice(817) clown (864)
0-ILB: Malbri(23)bkw(433)King(475)
7-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693) ZSandmann(767) LadyG(795) JM(801) HN(896) Zsandmann(933)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
9-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725) Beth(776) bkw(825) emo(838) Ice(842) Grins (865) clown(879) DD(924) LChap(926)
0-King: Malbri(498)
0-ZSandmann: LChap (914)

Ok, now for my thoughts on this be FOUR thing, never thought about this until I saw this post from Z. Now you were talking about the shifting of votes, right...do you think MAYBE the last FOUR to change to Mal could be our Mafia (at that time, I realize we now most likely have 6)??? Or possible all FOUR were on Mal??

 

[Lady G]

I forgot to add my thought about King and his UD post. Now we all know he is famous for UDing, so I have no doubt that he could do it....but I remember a game where I really felt they were going to switch me over...I pretty much said the same thing I was reamed for saying it, but anyway my point is I would not really of done it, it was just something I said. I didn't really want to be switched b/c I did feel I was going to be lynched (can't remember if I was) but I didn't want to show as mafia, and thought by saying that they wouldn't pick me, but if I had I would of continued to play.

 

[Grins]

Just a note, yes I'm in the thread but have some catching up to do. Let me grab some throat lozenges and read before posting thoughts.

 

[Cory Lover]

Ok, heres a list of all the players still alive and my thougts are beside them:

lady-Nothing that really tweaks me wrong with your posting style, leaning innocent.

ogre-After some more posts from Ogre after that slip/typo (whatever it was), I'm now leaning innocent.

hook-No read.

ice-I'm really not sure about you...I don't know what to think.

blue-Interesting that she has been quite focused on that whole Grins edit episode. Mafia usually try to grab at something and hold it against someone the whole game trying to get them eliminated, though I don't know if she is doing that or not. Again, not really sure if she is innocent or mafia.

clown-Something doesn't sit well with me in your last 10 posts or so. Don't know what exactley.

DD-Leaning innocent.

emo-Either emo is playing different because he is innocent this game, or he is playing different because he is mafia again and realized his game style last game didn't work that well. I'm leaning to the first option.

lchp-I just don't know with you. Sometimes your leaning mafia, sometimes your not. Its confusing.

beth-Leaning innocent.

bkw-Not sure about you.

cool-Would be nice if you shared your views more.

grins-Ok, so first I thought you were mafia, then I thought you were innocent, now again I'm leaning mafia (reasons below).

mad-Something is fishy about you.

jdge-I think she is mafia (reasons below).

king-No read.

ZS-If I was mafia....I'd abduct you. Since most people think you are innocent since you entered the game late. That makes me think you could/may already be abudcted. Right now...leaning innocent though.


Tops suspects:

-judge: Irradical post style, getting so worked up about the Ogre thing, and I have a gut feeling you are mafia.

-Grins: Well, I was hoping to believe you were innocent and mal was mafia, but since she wasn't now I'm thinking you may be. Your posting style is off too, as others have stated.




Matt

 

[Lady G]

Ok, I went back through day 1, to see if I could see anything about anyone on Mal, I was looking to see who was the first to start with her and the first to vote her. Mal, I have to admit myself made herself look bad with her non stop posting about RBs plot....but anyway here is what I found and then a run down of how votes went....

Yea, but I came before he assigned roles

Now this is the post, that started the whole Mal thing...she had questioned KOTDs innocence.

Mal, It doesn't matter, ..the mafia will be picking people as the game goes on. IF anything, you stand more of a chance at being mafia, then him. If you read the sign up thread, it guarantees, that KOTD is innocent, until the mafia start to choose players.

Jmax, responded trying to explain.

Mal you keep moving up the list, I might even vote for you today .

If roles had already been handed out how could KOTD be mafia.

The only mafia at game start were the Dons.
They each choose a player at game start to be on their team.

No one but the Dons are chosen by RB to be mafia.

Here is Ice's response who immediately lets her know how she is moving up his list and he may vote her today for saying this. Now, IMO...she just didn't get how we could see him as innocent, I think she just really didn't understand at that point, and I wonder why this ONE post made Ice say this to her. I really didn't see any other before this from Ice questioning Mal.

A lot of people are pointing fingers at Grins.

I'll have to go back through and re read her posts but from what I had read I didn't see much except for an aggressive player,which she is.

I think some are worried that she is becoming a hard one to read and are trying to fluster her and hope for a slip. If thats the case keep it up because right now its the only thing that will convince me, at least till I reread her posts and the context of them.

Right now my suspects are:

Mal - some of her posts and her vote on IBL in post 23. Way to early to be making a vote that she seemed serious about, just because IBL gave no reason for her vote.

IBL- Her vote onto HN was the 3rd vote on him and her 2nd vote of the night and it was only 22 posts or so into the game. I have it down as 52 because thats when it actually was posted correctly. She spen a number of posts trying to find out how to retract her 1st post so she could place that vote on HN. Then removed it when she got some questioning her way about why shew voted HN. I don't understand why she was so intent on learning how to retract to put it on HN if it was going to be removed anyway. Now she has it removed and says she will wait till nightfall to make the vote.

Ogre and JM for the post and reactions by JM. This is more a watch them then a I think are mafia. I'm sure it was just a typo but with Ogres past of hinting its worth watching.

Then Ice adds his list with her on it, stating the vote on ILB was serious, I did look back again after reading this and she did vote ILB b/c of that...but then in another post after that she added, it may change and she wanted a vote in "just in case" something happened, so I don't think it was as serious as he was stating.

I'm going to put my vote out there now.

I vote to lynch Mal

She is my best suspect for now based on her posts. ILB is also but her being the newb I can't bring myself to vote her the 1st night fall.

Then he does follow through with the vote on Mal.

we'll see

until then

i retract my ILB vote and vote to lynch mal

KOTD was the second to vote her.

well I think I have my vote:
I vote to lynch Mal
this is subject to change

Beth was the third.

Yeah it did your right I remember that. But I still doubt Rb hates you, and if it wasn't a joke I doubt he wanted you to take it seriously.
I retract my vote on Mal

Then Beth retracts later.

Firstly, my vote. I would hate to UD after spending about 6 hours reading this thread.

1-LesChap: LesChap(4) LadyG (205)Grins(309)
1-HN: judge(7) Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
4-JM: ILB(14) HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560) Ice(582) Grins(718)
1-ILB: Malbri(23) bkw(433) King(475)
4-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
2-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725)
1-King: Malbri(498)

It looks as if tonight will be a vote of either JM or Grins. But I think there are many good suspects, probably many more than actual Mafia positions as several players are undoubtedly acting screwy for attention, drama, or what ever strange motivation they have to make things more complicated. No list today as I don't feel it will achieve anything, but I will put King at the highest spot on Innocence as I will assume that for now at least he entered under the same rules as myself. I can't prove that of course, I can't even prove it for myself, but I think he is clear. After Nightfall that ranking becomes invalid though.

People I have had strong feeling of doubt about are a short list but worth mentioning.

LChap is first and foremost. I don't like your play style. Try and give it credability however you like but it is pointless and personally I found it minorly rude and unneedingly convoluted.

Malbri the last 200 or so posts have been an epic battle between my sanity and pity of your situation. I'm not sure why you thought using any correspondence with a game mod would be useful to your quest, but it blew up in your face in a quite hilarious fashion. However, I am glad to see King has a new friend he can debate with

Brings me to the two "contenders". Grins and JM. Judge is an enigma to me, I used to think I could read her after the "List"-that-shall-not-be-named. But I found quickly that it is an impossible task. As others have said, she is guilty even when she is innocent.

Grins, you win for the longest posts in this thread so far. Although most were amalgamations of quotes. However, I've seen little of actual substance. I see you defended yourself a lot (not saying you shouldn't - just observing). I also see a lot of fluff, and a failure to take Day 1 seriously. Sure have fun, it is a game, but the point of a game is to win. I would like to see the town win.

So, I don't know if we can find a mafia today, the odds are against us, but I want to at least put out the effort. If we don't hit mafia, maybe we at least focus the game a bit by taking out someone that is creating noise in our data collection. (sorry that was the scientist coming out).

I vote to lynch Grins.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm making up for three days of not posting here.

Now, Z came in with the vote count, and his vote to Grins. I will be using Z's vote counts throughout this post. Here we have Grins and Jmax tied in votes Mals only votes at the time were Ice and KOTD.

Kay I vote to lynch Mal

sorry Mal I really think you of all people should know Rb better than that. I feel bad for you, but still not buying it.

Beth re-votes Mal...

Ummm, Grins...what emails??? Is this a slip or a typo..why would you have long quoted emails, were you sending them to your team mate seeing what they think of it before you posted it??

I have been trying to decide between...Grins, Mal, and Jmax for my vote. This right here may of made my choice for me... You may of meant to say "posts" and not emails but then the reference to how he would have voted an innocent the last two games also makes me wonder. Your posts really have been full of really nothing just long and tedious when trying to read, and as I said before I think you are TRYING to hard to look innocent.

I vote to lynch Grins

You know I love ya girl, and you are great..but I think you are not innocent this round

Then I vote Grins.

I retract my vote to lynch HN and now vote to lynch Grins

Jmax added her vote for Grins

I just read back, I think ILB made his revocation clear, perhaps not the exact correct wordage but clear.

Heading home

Day One Ends: 7PM CST Tuesday 1/8
(21 Players) No Vote: (3) DD, emo, joander,
1-LesChap: LesChap(4) LadyG (205)Grins(309)
0-HN: judge(7)Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
4-JM: ILB(14) HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560) Ice(582) Grins(718)
1-ILB: Malbri(23) bkw(433) King(475)
7-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693) ZSandmann(767) LadyG(795) JM(801)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
3-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725) Beth(776)
1-King: Malbri(498)

With the last few votes we now have Grins in the lead 7-4 with Jmax. This vote count was at 4:42 a little over a hour to go for night fall.

See JM is stuff like this that makes you look mafia, The acting like a child BS that you try to pull off. How is that helping us differentiate between mafia and innocent?

Since Mal isn't getting the Don vote I retract my vote on Mal and vote to lynch JM

Ice comes in and retracts his Mal vote and switches to JMax.

Well what can i say that hasn't been said already.

I unvote ILB and vote to lynch mal


If Mal is mafia then im willing to believe that so is JM.

Bkw, comes in and votes Mal...adding he thinks if Mal is so is Jmax...so Bkw do you now think Jmax is innocent since Mal was?? Not insinuating anything here, this is just a honest question.

I vote to lynch Mal
she seem evil in here and alway been evil in chat!

Emo, comes on and votes Mal.

Since others have seen that Mal is the better vote I retract my vote for run of the mill mafia JM and vote to lynch Don Mal

Now, Ice comes in and re-votes Mal.

Nobody had been trying to attach you to Grins, you've been doing that one all by yourself ICE.

Well I've been suffering from a migrane today and have gone back and done some reading again in between trying to get rid of this pain.. However there was a post that I felt was directed at me with a hint only I would understand.. Because I don't want to make a mistake and vote out an innocent. So as of this point I'm going with my second choice just because the chance does exist that I am reading this person wrong.. While I do believe that Grins has posts that are making her "look" innocent my new vote really hasn't done anything for the town and went so far as to make a post that I expected her to make after a simple statement.

I retract my vote on Grins and vote to Lynch Judge

Clown retracts off Grins and votes Judge

OK, this latest nonsense from Mal and my previously stated belief that she is a don and chose JM to be her partner has me even more certain. Although I think JM is the savvier player (but jeez woman you're not showing it this game), I think we're better served cutting off the head of the beast...the don.

So with that I retract my vote on JM and vote to lynch Mal.

Grins retracts her Jmax vote and votes Mal...

Day One Ends: 7PM CST Tuesday 1/8
(21 Players) No Vote: (2) DD, joander,
1-LesChap: LesChap(4) LadyG (205) Grins(309)
0-HN: judge(7) Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
4-JM: ILB(14) HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560) Ice(582) Grins(718) Ice(817)
0-ILB: Malbri(23) bkw(433) King(475)
7-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693) ZSandmann(767) LadyG(795) JM(801)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
5-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725) Beth(776) bkw(825) emo(838) Ice(842)
1-King: Malbri(498)

Now we have, Grins at 7-6 Mal and it is 5:32 (Grins vote is actually on Mal at this point).

maybe she ment deerga???

And actually change that last vote.. I retract my vote on JM and vote Mal

Clown comes in and retracts from JM to Mal

Day One Ends: 7PM CST Tuesday 1/8
(21 Players) No Vote: (2) DD, joander,
1-LesChap: LesChap(4) LadyG (205) Grins(309)
1-HN: judge(7) Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
2-JM: ILB(14) HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560) Ice(582) Grins(718)Ice(817) clown (864)
0-ILB: Malbri(23) bkw(433) King(475)
6-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693) ZSandmann(767) LadyG(795) JM(801)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
7-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725) Beth(776) bkw(825) emo(838) Ice(842) Grins (865) clown(879)
1-King: Malbri(498)

And at 5:44 we have after Clowns switch Mal in the lead 7-6 Grins.

Wow, this has changed quick huh? Havin fun Rb? lol

Since mine won't matter now, I'm going with my second choice...
I retract my vote to lynch JM and vote to lynch Grins.

Other than JM, she's been my most likely choice and I tend to trust those voting for her slightly more than those voting for Mal right now (other than JM obviously).

HN, comes in and ties it back with a switch to Grins.

OMGUS

I retract my vote for Grins (thank you for answering), and vote to lynch LChap.

Fishing all afternoon and finally got a bite.

Z comes in and retracts from Grins to Lchap (Lchap had switched to Z).

I was totally set on voting Grins today and then I came to the final pages of the day. While I do find things from Grins very odd and not sitting right with me, Mal has completely blown me out of the water... here's why...




I could not pick my chin up fast enough to stop it from hitting the floor when I saw this was again talked about today.... what really is the big deal. Everyone is telling you Mal that this wouldn't happen and yet you push and insist that RB is TOTALLY set to do this today. Why?? That thought in mind, also, could you possible have proof of RB even suggesting this? or was it "in chat?"


ouch.... I know that this wasn;t directed at me but the slap could be heard all the way in Jersey.






and still, Mal, you insist going on and on about it.


While Grins is still hot on my plate of suspects, G makes it on over as a side dish.... G, I saw that as a twist too... actually, I read it like she did at first and then thought "hmmmm... what'd that say".... read it again.... and then when I saw G's post, set me to think differently than first suspected..... maybe because of her and my trust issues with each other, who knows.... her post just didn't sit right with me.... will ponder it for tomorrow though, just thought it worth mentioning.

and then I see I wasn't the only one to catch the twist, just confirmed my suspicion that it was in fact "a twist", especially since it is contrary to what G says.



everything is ok, G... thanks *hugs*


LMAO and the famous words... Mal, why haven't you used this saying yesterday?

I vote to lynch Mal (sorry sweetie)

DD, votes Mal

Now for the real vote...
I retract my vote against myself and vote to lynch Mal.

I retract from LChap (for tonight) and vote to lynch Grins.

Looks like the late save party train is rolling on Malbri

Z comes back in and retracts placing his vote on Grins.

Day One Ends: 7PM CST Tuesday 1/8
(21 Players) No Vote: (1) joander,
0-LesChap: LesChap(4) LadyG (205) Grins(309) Zsandmann(920)
1-HN: judge(7) Grins(30) ILB(52/123)
1-JM: ILB(14) HN(27) Cory(486) ILB (560) Ice(582) Grins(718)Ice(817) clown (864)
0-ILB: Malbri(23) bkw(433) King(475)
7-Grins: bkw(69) Ogre(107) clown(450) Mad(682) Blue(693) ZSandmann(767) LadyG(795) JM(801) HN(896) Zsandmann(933)
1-Clown lover: cooldude(114)
9-Malbri: Ice(242) Ice(632) King(638) Beth(725) Beth(776) bkw(825) emo(838) Ice(842) Grins (865) clown(879) DD(924) LChap(926)
1-King: Malbri(498)
0-ZSandmann: LChap (914)

His last vote tally and we have with all the switching at the end...Mal up to 9-Grins 7. This was at 6:44

lchap (1) by mal 939

hook (1) by ilb 123

judge (1) by cory 486

grins (7) by ogre 107 mad 682 blue 693 lady 795 jdge 801 hk 896 z 933

clown (1) by cool 114

malbri (9) by kotd 638 beth 776 bkw 825 emo 838 ice 842 grns 865

clwn 879 DD 924 lchp 926

20 of 21 votes in.....

NO VOTE FROM JOANDER123....

And RBs Nightfall vote count.

I know this is long...but I was hoping it would help in seeing who switched and when.

 

[judgemax]

Ok, I went back through day 1, to see if I could see anything about anyone on Mal, I was looking to see who was the first to start with her and the first to vote her. Mal, I have to admit myself made herself look bad with her non stop posting about RBs plot....but anyway here is what I found and then a run down of how votes went....


Now this is the post, that started the whole Mal thing...she had questioned KOTDs innocence.

Jmax, responded trying to explain.


Here is Ice's response who immediately lets her know how she is moving up his list and he may vote her today for saying this. Now, IMO...she just didn't get how we could see him as innocent, I think she just really didn't understand at that point, and I wonder why this ONE post made Ice say this to her. I really didn't see any other before this from Ice questioning Mal.


Then Ice adds his list with her on it, stating the vote on ILB was serious, I did look back again after reading this and she did vote ILB b/c of that...but then in another post after that she added, it may change and she wanted a vote in "just in case" something happened, so I don't think it was as serious as he was stating.

Then he does follow through with the vote on Mal.

KOTD was the second to vote her.

Beth was the third.

Then Beth retracts later.

Now, Z came in with the vote count, and his vote to Grins. I will be using Z's vote counts throughout this post. Here we have Grins and Jmax tied in votes Mals only votes at the time were Ice and KOTD.


Beth re-votes Mal...

Then I vote Grins.

Jmax added her vote for Grins

With the last few votes we now have Grins in the lead 7-4 with Jmax. This vote count was at 4:42 a little over a hour to go for night fall.


Ice comes in and retracts his Mal vote and switches to JMax.

Bkw, comes in and votes Mal...adding he thinks if Mal is so is Jmax...so Bkw do you now think Jmax is innocent since Mal was?? Not insinuating anything here, this is just a honest question.

Emo, comes on and votes Mal.

Now, Ice comes in and re-votes Mal.

Clown retracts off Grins and votes Judge

Grins retracts her Jmax vote and votes Mal...


Now we have, Grins at 7-6 Mal and it is 5:32 (Grins vote is actually on Mal at this point).

Clown comes in and retracts from JM to Mal

And at 5:44 we have after Clowns switch Mal in the lead 7-6 Grins.

HN, comes in and ties it back with a switch to Grins.


Z comes in and retracts from Grins to Lchap (Lchap had switched to Z).

DD, votes Mal



Z comes back in and retracts placing his vote on Grins.


His last vote tally and we have with all the switching at the end...Mal up to 9-Grins 7. This was at 6:44



And RBs Nightfall vote count.

I know this is long...but I was hoping it would help in seeing who switched and when.

actually, i find it pretty interesting myself LG, ..seems like alot of work, to save grins. It seems to me, that when the mal thing didn't work, they tried to switch to me, ..when all else failed, they went back to mal.

 

[Lady G]

After all that and looking at everything again....I have to say my top suspects would have to be...

Ice-For immediately going to Mal for her questioning the reason we all felt KOTD was innocent. I do believe she just did not get it, yes, Mal continued it and adding her RB stuff really made herself in the end look mafia. At that point though that was really the only thing she said, she hadn't gone on about it at THAT point, where he let her know she was now raising on his list and his vote may go her way. His seemingly "defending" of Grins. A side note to that, maybe he does see he as innocent, IF he is mafia and IF he does...in the end if she was lynched he would be able to go back and say, see I thought she was innocent and the ones that were on her look more mafia to me.

Grins-Same reasons as yesterday, then Clown pointing out her "hint" to him...I could easily see it as a mafia "hint" also.

Clown-Well dear, you have managed to make me wonder about you again. I think you could be mafia and were trying to make Grins look innocent with the whole "hint" thing. Your late switch putting Mal in the lead really does not look well to me.

Jmax-I still see as possible Mafia also, still same reasons as yesterday.

Blue-I am beginning to wonder about her. Yes, I believe her with the edit thing, still do not think she would make it up...ppl say lots of things to make others look evil in this game, but usually they do not flat out lie about something like that. Although she is sticking to the ONE thing and that does IMO look scummy. She is just a thought at that moment just leaning and my feelings are much more strong toward the others at this time.

 

[Lady G]

After all that and looking at everything again....I have to say my top suspects would have to be...

Ice-For immediately going to Mal for her questioning the reason we all felt KOTD was innocent. I do believe she just did not get it, yes, Mal continued it and adding her RB stuff really made herself in the end look mafia. At that point though that was really the only thing she said, she hadn't gone on about it at THAT point, where he let her know she was now raising on his list and his vote may go her way. His seemingly "defending" of Grins. A side note to that, maybe he does see he as innocent, IF he is mafia and IF he does...in the end if she was lynched he would be able to go back and say, see I thought she was innocent and the ones that were on her look more mafia to me.

Grins-Same reasons as yesterday, then Clown pointing out her "hint" to him...I could easily see it as a mafia "hint" also.

Clown-Well dear, you have managed to make me wonder about you again. I think you could be mafia and were trying to make Grins look innocent with the whole "hint" thing. Your late switch putting Mal in the lead really does not look well to me.

Jmax-I still see as possible Mafia also, still same reasons as yesterday.

Blue-I am beginning to wonder about her. Yes, I believe her with the edit thing, still do not think she would make it up...ppl say lots of things to make others look evil in this game, but usually they do not flat out lie about something like that. Although she is sticking to the ONE thing and that does IMO look scummy. She is just a thought at that moment just leaning and my feelings are much more strong toward the others at this time.

I left of DD, sorry. Anyway...DD, as has been stated by many is one very hard to finger...but her late vote on Mal well it just looks bad also. I could be wrong on her, but that vote and so late...makes me have to wonder.