Mafia #23 Revenge

A couple of interesting posts regarding Ice....

Later in the Day, Judge moves her vote off of HN onto Grins in a move to save herself. Ice calls her move mafia. Did anyone notice that Grins did the same thing (moved her vote to save herself)? She had a vote parked on LChap, but moved it to JMax when it looked like she and Judge would be the main candidates of the evening. Once steam got going on Mal, Grins jumped over to Mal to save herself... Not necessarily an unusual move for Grins, but I didn't see Ice call her out on it.


Here Ice pulls off of Mal then onto JMax....


Soon afterward, steam is building on Mal and he hops off of Judge back onto Mal, as others think she is the better vote. Why does Ice think those he is now following onto Mal can even be trusted on Day 1? Wasn't Emo one of those diving onto Malbri?


Ice accused others of trying to link him to Grins, but he's really done it all by himself, and quite strongly. The thing is though, if Grins is his teammate, it seems illogical that he'd be jumping so strongly to save her. But Ice has played strong, out-front mafia before (remember the Santa game), in which he did things that you generally wouldn't expect scum to do...

I'd really like to hear from Ice on the subject. The link between he and Grins is undeniable.
Hmm, I didn't even notice..think about that, Ice calling Jmax out for changing her vote, but not saying anything to Grins about it.

To Ice being connected to Grins, yes...he does seem to be. Yes, he put himself there with his extreme efforts to say how he thinks her innocent. For a while, I was thinking possible Dr/Detective..but we now know that Jo was the DR. so that can't be what the connection would be.

His vote switching is quite curious I know he kept saying how he thought them to be team mates, obviously they weren't...but it was very convenient how his vote went whichever way would protect Grins the most.
 
well, I could agree with that, except, it was never that close between grins and I, and, Grins is the only constant, ..Which is why my curiosity.

Judge, I saw that Z and LG already answered... I actually chuckled when I read this. You could have easily been the one going last night had it not been Malbri.

Additionally, I don't have the post number, but something you last night intrigued me. You implied that you had been acting crazy/nutty (whatever you want to call it) in an attempt to not be recruited by the mafia. I'm assuming that your plan was to bring enough heat onto yourself so that scum wouldn't want to touch you, right?

Whenever people claim to be acting scummy on purpose, it always baffles me. Most claim to be 'setting traps' to catch others, but you claimed to be intentionally trying to bring heat to avoid conscription. Problem I have is that scum doesn't easily wash off, so I don't necessarily buy it when folks claim to have been acting scummy intentionally.

Are you now agreeing that you appeared scummy on Day 1?
 
i really don't like that a few of our vets are this quiet..

DD, blue, ice..since when is ice among the lower posters?..and we all know DD likes to stay hidden when she's evil..i also don't like the fact that after almost every post..LG says "ok i really have to go now"..i havn't played a game with her in a while..so i don't know if thats normal..just something i noticed..

then we have jm and grins..im not sure what to think about either of them at this point..if i have to vote..i'd most likley go with grins, she seems a bit more shady to me..
 
A couple of interesting posts regarding Ice....

Later in the Day, Judge moves her vote off of HN onto Grins in a move to save herself. Ice calls her move mafia. Did anyone notice that Grins did the same thing (moved her vote to save herself)? She had a vote parked on LChap, but moved it to JMax when it looked like she and Judge would be the main candidates of the evening. Once steam got going on Mal, Grins jumped over to Mal to save herself... Not necessarily an unusual move for Grins, but I didn't see Ice call her out on it.


Here Ice pulls off of Mal then onto JMax....


Soon afterward, steam is building on Mal and he hops off of Judge back onto Mal, as others think she is the better vote. Why does Ice think those he is now following onto Mal can even be trusted on Day 1? Wasn't Emo one of those diving onto Malbri?


Ice accused others of trying to link him to Grins, but he's really done it all by himself, and quite strongly. The thing is though, if Grins is his teammate, it seems illogical that he'd be jumping so strongly to save her. But Ice has played strong, out-front mafia before (remember the Santa game), in which he did things that you generally wouldn't expect scum to do...

I'd really like to hear from Ice on the subject. The link between he and Grins is undeniable.

Exactly! I pointed that out a couple of times. It's more an indictment on Grins as it stands, they obviously have been following Ice, but Ice has continued to defend Grins in spite of the mounting stack of evidence against.
 
Ok, I am pulling up RBs "hint" type posts.

The Mafia, (old or new), are gleefully running around the square, realizing they had to do little to make an Innocent disappear tonight, while their numbers grow.

What makes the joy even better, they can not be stopped tonight because of a Doctor's Protection....
I really believe this was pertaining to Mal..the fact she did make herself look bad...and obviously the mafia numbers grew, because of the vote on her.

The victim is quickly dispatched...the experience at the kill is well practiced over time.

The clove oil is laced with epsom salts, the mixture even made worse with water from a betta bowl.

ILB was just an Innocent....
This really leads me to believe that the hit was from a experienced player.
Bala sees a 50/50 Game Day 2 Nightfall...maybe....


:lipssealedsmilie:
Now, for the 50/50 post...now that I am looking at it again, I wonder if he is saying, if we do not hit a mafia next night fall it could be a 50/50 game at that point. If we do not take out a mafia and they each pick another player that would be 8 mafia right...that would be pretty much half the town right??
Bala sees the Day One come to an end...

And the start of the Day Two...

Who can forsee the Trend..

Be four we reach the End...


g'nite, folks!

:eek:
Now this one I can see alot of things possible.

First what trend...is he saying a trend in a since we were looking and voting the wrong ppl, this thought scares me a little cause I really do believe Grins to be Mafia. Does he mean trend in a since that we had a mafia (or 2) but chose the wrong one. Does he mean a trend in a way that we continue to loose innocents and the mafia grows? Or does he mean something completely different.

Be "Four" we reach the end. Now in this one, I just don't know. I looked back at the votes before Mal took the lead, there were 2 tally's where Jmax had 4 votes, could that be something to do with it? Could it be the "four" players to vote at the "end" were mafia? Could it be that "four" players switched to someone else to put Mal in the lead? Then this one just popped in my head, and is actually a lot crazy BUT.... Beth has four letters and starts with B, someone posted different things he had told them he does, could this be something like that, then if you look at it that way...well he posted in blue a couple times, Blue starts with B also and also has four letters.

Or there is the possibility none of it means anything and he is messing with us:grinyes:
 
OK, well, it was tied early on, ..but I had not moved my vote at that point, and when it was getting closer to night , she had 7 i had 4, ..thats a huge difference in my opinion, maybe i am looking at it different, but to say, i am lying, ..is A little harsh,. IMHO, 3 votes, is not that close in this game, ..If they were gonna put forth that large of an effort to save me, ..they really could have just piled on grins, ..Instead of mal?..

see my point?..

This is flawed reasoning. You said it was not EVER close. Tied IS close.
The 7-4 vote came about as more people began voting on Malbri.
And three votes is close when there are four Mafia. It only take a few to create a shift, which I still think is what occured. I don't think they piled on Grins because Grins is Mafia. Maybe Grins is New Mafia and you are Old Mafia?

See the need to find a third party to draw votes?
 
OK My first move will be to analize ILB and see who might have felt safe hitting her...


No content.

Goes after JM with no reason a few posts into the game...day 1 foolery.

Newbie card.


Tries to switch to HN...Day 1 foolery imo.


Screw'd up the vote change and can't figure it out. noob move.


And again.


Finally switches to HN...either ILB is sure, or ILB just want's to do jostle feathers.


Day 1 jokes, commenting on Mal's vote for ILB.


Gives HN a break and claims to wait till nightfall.


Some Day 1 RP, says the last several votes were to "make the game more interesting"


First time defense from Ice...claims a motive.


Response to a jibe from Ogre.


Aparently some silly RP...origionally thought to be indicating the detective PR, but that turns out false.


IBL says the reason for a lot of her actions are for her own amusement.


I think this is more RP based on the post before last.


More RP.


Jibes Ice.

Uhm, guess there's no plan now?

Ice just jibed Grins about her bonbon addiction.

bored random post.

Defending her RP story, but I don't think that's very important.


AH, something I can use. Here she accuses/suspects: Ogre, Ice, Myself, Beth, Grins and JM. She claims to think LG is innocent, and maybe Grins.

Apparently Judge didn't like her last post.

People said she just copy/pasted CL's post...apparently she used his post to add her own thought.

Proclaiming her innocence.

Voting for Judge way before nightfall as she claimed she'd do earlier.

JM harrassed, she replied.

Another harrass from JM.

Defending another accusation from JM.

Here she's going after a suposed (false) slip from Mal.

Here she asks Mal if Mal think's she should vote for someone else other then JM. Mal says "I think you should"

HN asks her about her messed up RP story way up there a few moons ago, and threatens to vote for ILB is she doesn't have a good explaination. ILB has no clue what Grins is asking about.

I think this is in response to Mal saying "This is what happens when people complain I don't post enough." Not very helpful imo.

Well the Mafia did it for you hun...trust me, it was more peaceful the way you went ;-)

Here she defends a jibe from Mal towards Ice.

Something happened with her and CL that I can't seem to find...almost saw some blood on this one.

KOTD quoted her last post and bolded the all-caps, and said it was a fun one too. Just some agreement between the two.

Can't tell if she was refering to something specific, or the game in general.

Just a tag-on from the last post.

Another tag-on.

Guess she's been avoiding RL cause of Mafia. tsk tsk.

Guess she's going to do the RL thing.

Guess she thought it was nightfall already. JM replied "You! lmao"

Here she's explaining her last post.

Official vote tally. Also to note: Mal and KOTD voted for ILB, then switched their votes.

So, the players she didn't go after at all: LG, Blue, DD, Emo, Bkw, Joan, Cool(wtf is this, it's on her list), Mad, KOTD. Joan is gone due to a UD. These are going to be my initial suspects. I'm going to add JM in there just cause she may have had ILB hit just so she could claim she'd never do something so stupid, ILB was obviously after JM the whole time, while looking at other people.

I think we can remove Bkw and KOTD off that list, at least for the Mafia team that hit ILB...though KOTD might have done it...obviously some none-gameplay related "connecting" going on with little comments to many of ILB's posts.

Origionally I was gonna make this the longest Mafia post ever, quoting almost everything from my suspects and analizing it...but I started this cause I couldn't sleep and I'm going to try again. Once again, my suspects to watch are: LG, Blue, DD, Emo, Bkw, Mad, KOTD, Cool (whoever this is) and JM.

My initial thoughts without going back:
Blue and Emo I haven't seen nearly as much of as I'd expect.
Bkw is quiet as usual.
Don't remember anything from Mad's posts. LG and DD pretty much the same.
KOTD seemed to attach himself to ILB a lot after he retracted his vote. Only reason he's still on my list, as he seems pretty helpful.
JM's seemed rather defensive most her posts, especially the ones targeted at her.

Sorry for the out of order posts folks but while I've technically read everything to this point, it has been rather quickly, and I'm still digesting some of the stuff... There may be a couple more out of order posts coming this afternoon.

LChap, it's good to see you taking an interest in the game. You came up with a list of who you thought would be 'safe' to hit ILB, and then made them suspects. That's fine. I encourage you to watch them, some may certainly be scum.

IMO though, anyone playing the game was 'safe' in hitting ILB. Being a newbie, and not a particularly helpful townie, I doubt that ILB had any mafia members quaking in their boots. The mafia weren't worried about her (might have though she was detective, though), and the townies weren't hanging on her every word to see who she suspected (as she hadn't developed any townie cred in this or any other games). Pretty much makes her a safe hit for anyone.
 
i really don't like that a few of our vets are this quiet..

DD, blue, ice..since when is ice among the lower posters?..and we all know DD likes to stay hidden when she's evil..i also don't like the fact that after almost every post..LG says "ok i really have to go now"..i havn't played a game with her in a while..so i don't know if thats normal..just something i noticed..

then we have jm and grins..im not sure what to think about either of them at this point..if i have to vote..i'd most likley go with grins, she seems a bit more shady to me..

Well, really King...since a game a while back when I was posting and left DD asked a question of me after I went off the board, which of coarse I didn't answer cause well, I wasn't on any longer. Well, it turned into a whole...why aren't you answering me kinda thing and by the time I came back on there were several on me from it. So yeah, I say when I'm getting off most of the time anymore.
 
OK, well, it was tied early on, ..but I had not moved my vote at that point, and when it was getting closer to night , she had 7 i had 4, ..thats a huge difference in my opinion, maybe i am looking at it different, but to say, i am lying, ..is A little harsh,. IMHO, 3 votes, is not that close in this game, ..If they were gonna put forth that large of an effort to save me, ..they really could have just piled on grins, ..Instead of mal?..

see my point?..

Actually Judge, it wasn't early on...it was just a little over 2 hours before nightfall, and as has been pointed out 3 votes IS pretty close especially when ppl are switching like crazy between yourself and Mal. Though I still agree it was an attempt to save Grins.
 
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