Mafia #23 Revenge

[Hooked Newbie]

My vote didn't go to protect anyone. My vote was for Mal because I thought she was the Don and it was more important to me to get her. Once I saw that no one was voting for Mal I switched to the lesser mafia. Then when people started voting Mal I figured we could again get the Don.

Which time? You did vote for her on 3 occasions correct?

 

[Lady G]

You know yu quoted the wrong person to start with grins, why else would i have asked you what you meant? And FYI, even if my mod powers could pull that up, they are not used in the game..

Tell another one...

Ok, Blue...this post concerns me very much...it is like a I challenge you post...no "mod powers" are not allowed in the game....to make your case, but I'm sure if a serious matter came up the mod of the game COULD go into something to find out the details. Having said that, I think it would have to be a much more serious matter than this and do not any way think it should be asked of RB or RB even consider it...as the rules say "you can say whatever you want".

Are you going to tell me when communicating evil or good...you have never "watched" PMs??? Cause I have actually had a few ppl tell me you have when on a team with them, I think it was the last time I was on a team, I was told DO NOT PM....blue likes to watch PMs.

Anyway, I am not sure what to think of the "edit" thing and am not going to consider it any longer toward Grins..not after this post.

 

[Lady G]

Now I have to head off to work (sorry King, habit)...anyway, I'll be back after work.

 

[IceH2O]

My list:

The players...1 innocent 10 mafia

lady- honestly right now I don't see anything to say mafia. She is asking questions and doing the things I'd expect of a townie. 4

ogre- Been back and forth with ogre. He does tend to try to hint to the other team but I'm not sure that was done. My biggest problem is his tunnel vision. He hasn't chased anyone down at all. Placed a vote and left. Since been retracted. 7

hook- Normally more aggressive but I understand RL. 5

ice -10.....just kidding 1


blue- Same as Ogre within the tunnel vision group. I've played with Blue on a number of occasions. When she is evil she likes to sit on one person for the entire game until that person is lynched. 8


clown-Good informative posts, kicking down doors looking through the threads with open eyes. 4

DD- pretty quiet, DD always scares me but if evil will end up giving herself away. 5

emo- ummm...look I wrote more right there then he has the entire game. Only mafia hides 9

cory- has tried to have imformative posts but not quite there. His post saying he would never hit ILB sounded like he was trying to hide something to me 9

lchp- what can you say. He has admitted that his entire game play has been to confuse us and play mind tricks. Mafia tactics. I think because he got himself killed last game as a don that he thinks playing this way will let him slide by, so far it has only gotten him glances.Is he right? 8

ILB- hit- innocent 1

beth- another quiet one, has a few posts but no substance. Can't say she is innocent so I have to lean her mafia 6

bkw- always a low poster, always one to slide under the radar, usually needs to be hit to leave the game. Hard to read because of this, wish there was a BKW rule that forced players to post lol. just for being quiet 6

joan-UD-DR 1

cool- how many more times do I have to type the word quiet. Another player abusing the game. If you don't post then don't complain when you are lynched. 6

grns - starting to see some of what others are though I don't think they are lynchable content. will keep a closer eye on her though.Could be the slip isn't that far from coming. 5

mad- Mads posting reminds me of times he has been mafia.Enough to look like he is helping but never really latches into anyone. Puts the thoughts out there then waits to see which way the wind blows. 8

jdge- whats to say 10

mal -lynch -innocent 1

kotd- everyone assumes innocent for his late start,I wouldn't put it past RB to make him mafia,normally as an innocent KOTD is pretty quiet 6

Zman- also assumed innocent via a late start, if anyone would be put to mafia though and the clue 4 could be that then I would assume Z. His post while plentiful aren't really Z material to me. I have to,just because of a feeling, lean him mafia 6


So my top suspects are:

JM
emo
cory
Blue
LC
Mad

I could see JM or Blue choosing one another to start.

I could see Emo or Cory choosing one another to start. Think of it as when you play a game,you want your friend on your team.


I'm going to propose a split vote. If we can get 6 votes on 3 players then let RB flip a coin or whatever he does for a 3 way. Might even see some late switching.

I say we put up JM Grins and Blue.

I vote to lynch JM

 

[IceH2O]

Which time? You did vote for her on 3 occasions correct?

I voted Mal then JM looked like the better choice until Mal pulled her stunts and I thought it out and figured Mal would choose JM and not the other way around. So when I thought Mal was Don I switched back. When Mal wasn't getting any votes I figured its better to get a lesser then none so I went to JM. When Mal started to get votes I went back to her hoping to nail the Don.

 

[Dangerdoll]

hey guys, am here again.... gotta catch up since I've been offline again at work for the day.... hopefully, my PC at work is being replaced tonight so this issue will soon be over and I will be up to the minute once more!! Woohoo.... going to read up now...

 

[IceH2O]

Ok, Blue...this post concerns me very much...it is like a I challenge you post...no "mod powers" are not allowed in the game....to make your case, but I'm sure if a serious matter came up the mod of the game COULD go into something to find out the details. Having said that, I think it would have to be a much more serious matter than this and do not any way think it should be asked of RB or RB even consider it...as the rules say "you can say whatever you want".

Are you going to tell me when communicating evil or good...you have never "watched" PMs??? Cause I have actually had a few ppl tell me you have when on a team with them, I think it was the last time I was on a team, I was told DO NOT PM....blue likes to watch PMs.

Anyway, I am not sure what to think of the "edit" thing and am not going to consider it any longer toward Grins..not after this post.

Yes Blue has used Mod powers during the game, she tried when a team mate of mine and I told her it was cheating. She didn't care but I wasn't going to turn in a player on my team lol.

 

[clown-lover]

Well it looks like we've had a productive day.. And more productive in a sense of what was posted vs the number of posts. I am going to chop on the posts themselves otherwise this thing would just get to be to long.. Like its not going to be long enough...

King is a good player, but he is also head strong and often plays his own game.
I'm thinking that this answer was directed at me since the rest of the message was. This is good to know and I like players that play their own games because then that means they aren't sheep following the crowd like some of the players we have and are considered vets and still perform that way.

Thanks for showing us Grins' "hints". They may mean something to you but I don't see anything there that proves Innocence to me. And if Grins is Mafia, they could very well drop hints to you in hopes of getting you to do exactly what you are doing. I'm not saying you are proclaiming their Innocence, but you have a doubt, and sometimes that's all it takes. Grins was the lead voter getter yesterday up until an hour or so from Night when votes suddenly started shifting.

Trust me this is foremost in my mind right now (I've actually been doing a LadyG at work today.. In fact during one meeting I was called out on the carpet as not paying attention to the meeting because my mind was on last nights events)as the posts that have been put together seem to reconfirm what I was seeing way back at the beginning and I started pointing out things that I considered inconsistancies. And no I don't believe that Grins is 100% innocent but after her posts to me I couldn't take the chance of voting her out if she was a possible role that could benefit the town.

I know it has been a long time sinse you and I have played together.. But there is one thing anyone can tell about me when I'm an innocent is that I take great care to avoid trying to vote out someone that will keep our numbers up vs the mafia and be a benefit to the town. Unfortunately last night I did have doubt and went to Jmax who was my second choice. But as I was making that post is when Mal started that whole thing over again and looked even more mafia to me honestly and is why I ultimately switched to her. But I right away fessed up to my mistake in a post to JM and plainly stated that I expected to be raked over the coals for my actions and expected it to happen. I just thought she would be the one doing it. I would do the same to anyone else that had done what I did and have no problem with a spotlight being shined into my eyes and grilled. All I can do is tell you what my rational was and hope you see what I was seeing. But with Grins's posts like I said it was something completely and totally only geared towards me and conversations that we have had outside of AC and I don't expect anyone else to understand it.. I understand it makes my look guilty.

Sorry, not seeing it.... but if you want to believe that's fine, because I can't tell you what to think.

See my comments above to Z on this...

So you're saying that if at some point someone is in jeopardy of being lynched (by you) they can say 'Clown, remember back to Mafia 10....I was innocent,' that you'll just go away? Seriously. You say that you're still closely watching Grins, but you've just wiped her slate clean of everything that you deemed scummy on Day 1. Please note that my point isn't to push Grins here....it's your actions that kind of seem a little off.
No it was more than that and again I'm not going to give away all of my secrets and its not that simple either. But just like another time when I had SERIOUS doubts about LadyG being mafia vs another player (and to all those that don't know I was Brains2 in that game.. I would have hoped that everyone would have figured that one out by now) it was down to a couple of players.. One was Wes the other was her.. She looked mafia, then didn't, then did then didn't.. I couldn't vote for her because at the last point my mind had changed and voted wes. There are no absolute certainties in this game until a player is either eliminated or RB reveals their role at the end. All we can do is some guess and by golly and hope that we are right to a certain extent. And I'm not sorry if I see Grins as a strong player.. You might be better at hiding your role but she is better at hunting out the bad guys. So yeah I made a choice, it very well may have been the wrong choice but I made it and have to live with the consequences of that decision.

Hmmm...no tunnel vision here clown. If that was the case, why would I bother reading the posts after I cast my vote? Feel free to look at me all you want to, I do expect that.

And yes, you have tickled my brain...

Ok so why not share some of your insights with the town? Do you have anything to add to what has been said or do you plan on hiding behind a post that you entered into this thread almost a thousand posts ago? I mean I've seen more posting out of you in games past and as of this point I'm expecting you to tell me you have RL issues.

OK, Clown..she may of very well been hinting to you......but, I personally could see it another way, remember when she mentioned your avatar and how you used it last game as a "hint" you were mafia, well are you sure she wasn't "hinting" to you b/c she thinks you are mafia, and she wants you to realize you are on the same side. I am not saying I think you are mafia at this point...just stating what may of been going on with her "hints" or have you thought maybe she did this on purpose knowing you would think she was innocent?

Again this has gone through my mind today and was going to be part of my posting this evening along with some of the above to Z and Mad but you also thought of it so I'll just post this as an answer.. But like I said with what you have put together today while I was at work I'm believing I was right the first time.. But do you get where I am going, you know me as a player better than most because I have stood your screuteny more than most other players. I think that goes back to the time I was on DD's team and hit you so hard you almost spun around and you haven't really trusted me since. You know I don't like making mistakes and lynch an innocent that could be of help tot he town and is why I was so upset last night that I helped lynch Mal. I mean I'll take the blame, put it here if you have to, but in my defense she did look mafia to me. Can you honestly say she didn't look mafia to you?

Sorry but she is still one of my top suspects and will remain so, and with this "hint" to you....AFTER she questioned you about your avatar and it's meaning, well, I'm more apt to think she may of thought you mafia this round again and was trying to "communicate" to you with those post, not trying to get you to see her as innocent, but trying to get you to see she is mafia.
Again I can see why she is your top suspect and I would have to agree that she is back up on my list as well but again with what she posted I'm just not sure that voting her out is in the best interests of the town... I see that she has posted and need to read through her post as like I said if I don't see townie coming out of her I'm going to call her mafia again.

After all that and looking at everything again....I have to say my top suspects would have to be...

Ice-For immediately going to Mal for her questioning the reason we all felt KOTD was innocent. I do believe she just did not get it, yes, Mal continued it and adding her RB stuff really made herself in the end look mafia. At that point though that was really the only thing she said, she hadn't gone on about it at THAT point, where he let her know she was now raising on his list and his vote may go her way. His seemingly "defending" of Grins. A side note to that, maybe he does see he as innocent, IF he is mafia and IF he does...in the end if she was lynched he would be able to go back and say, see I thought she was innocent and the ones that were on her look more mafia to me.

Grins-Same reasons as yesterday, then Clown pointing out her "hint" to him...I could easily see it as a mafia "hint" also.

Clown-Well dear, you have managed to make me wonder about you again. I think you could be mafia and were trying to make Grins look innocent with the whole "hint" thing. Your late switch putting Mal in the lead really does not look well to me.

Jmax-I still see as possible Mafia also, still same reasons as yesterday.

Blue-I am beginning to wonder about her. Yes, I believe her with the edit thing, still do not think she would make it up...ppl say lots of things to make others look evil in this game, but usually they do not flat out lie about something like that. Although she is sticking to the ONE thing and that does IMO look scummy. She is just a thought at that moment just leaning and my feelings are much more strong toward the others at this time.

LadyG I'm not saying your mafia by pointing this out I am just questioning.. Why isn't LChap on this list? Up until today he really hasn't posted, he still hasn't completely allieviated the guilt he built up in my eyes with his prior lack of activities, you caught DD and added her below but not him... Why?

I left of DD, sorry. Anyway...DD, as has been stated by many is one very hard to finger...but her late vote on Mal well it just looks bad also. I could be wrong on her, but that vote and so late...makes me have to wonder.

Great post Lady, you summed it up perfectly. It was effectively a JM-Grins race, both solid suspects in my opinion, then with Night approaching suddenly everyone has second thoughts on Mal and the whole game shifted. Now I will be devil's advocate and say it conincides with some of Mal's crazy talk, but Mal seemed to really think Rb was duping her. The question is if the Mafia started the swing, piled on at the end, or both.

I have to agree that I think this is one of the best posts I have ever seen out of LadyG and has firmly gone down a notch or more on my list towards the innocent side because of it. But as i stated above when I had my doubt about Grins, this is where I fell into in my voting.


With all of the above being said there are other players that I have stated earlier that I would like to hear more from.. I've heard from LChap but there seems to be a plethora of players who seem to sign up for these games and think that its just ok not to contribute anything of substance. I don't have a problem with low posters persay, but I do have a problem with low posers that have no content. I have proven in several games that the low posters seem to be more mafia than others and I'm going to start shaking some of your trees.

I retract my vote from LChap.. It may be replaced at a later time as night 2 isn't over with and honestly your not 100% innocent in my eyes yet or even in the area of a concerned townie.

 

[judgemax]

OK, well, i had thought i was going to multi quote, but seriously, the length of posts in this game, are crazy! so, in the interest of not making someone read an entire one page post:


Z i was simply answering you comment, ..I realize you were not voting for me. I play in a defensive manner, thats me, ..always have, I am almost sure, i always will.

Ice, ..you know, your conspiracy theories, are really starting to get on my nerves, ..your trying awfully hard, to make every one but you look guilty. seriously, how many more people are going to try and link me to?..

As i remember what else I was going to say, I will post.

 

[cooldude123]

ok..i have like two trains of thought going so wait a bit till i organise them...