Mafia #29 Biological Badlands #2

[IceH2O]

Ahhh, I feel sick. This is really not good and I'm at a loss.




Yeah, I feel HN hasn't pressed on people as much as he normally does. Each game they usually go at it to some extent. The only reasons I can think they are not is A) they are on the same team B) they both think the other is innocent (which would be truly odd) C) craziness lol

Before nightfall, I posted that if jpappy or Zig are evil, the other one is most likely evil, and if one of them shows up innocent, the other is most likely innocent as well. My reasoning for that is that if one were evil, and the other innocent, I'm sure at least one evil would have saved the other evil from a tie. So if I follow that reasoning, Zig probably is innocent. I'm by no way clearing him, I just feel that there is a greater chance he is innocent then I did before night.

My suspects:

catfish
HN
Ice

That actually makes sense.The bold statement, not your choices of suspects.I know for sure 1 is wrong.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Ahhh, I feel sick. This is really not good and I'm at a loss.




Yeah, I feel HN hasn't pressed on people as much as he normally does. Each game they usually go at it to some extent. The only reasons I can think they are not is A) they are on the same team B) they both think the other is innocent (which would be truly odd) C) craziness lol

Before nightfall, I posted that if jpappy or Zig are evil, the other one is most likely evil, and if one of them shows up innocent, the other is most likely innocent as well. My reasoning for that is that if one were evil, and the other innocent, I'm sure at least one evil would have saved the other evil from a tie. So if I follow that reasoning, Zig probably is innocent. I'm by no way clearing him, I just feel that there is a greater chance he is innocent then I did before night.

My suspects:

catfish
HN
Ice

Interesting change of suspects... why do I feel like you might be pandering to Grins?

 

[Hooked Newbie]

To tell you the truth I was thinking about that today. It makes me real uneasy when HN doesn't attack me. But I haven't felt that vibe from him. He hasn't really done anything to look at as evil.
I haven't hit on an evil yet unless Zig turns up evil. HN hasn't hit an evil yet and neither have you Grins. So using votes has been hard to use as a base.

I can't see placing a vote until I see if I can tell if someone has been changed and in which direction. I don't want to place a vote on an evil and they ended up being turned innocent.

But I listed my top 4 suspects in an above post so thats who I'm looking at the most.

Likewise. I'd almost rather you had been doing something more scummy. I need to review, I'm worried that my worst fears could prove to be true.

 

[IceH2O]

This to me looks like possibly Plant was turned. Didn't Bob use green when something happened with her before? And she does lay low. Was she turned good or evil though?



I'm not sure about the count. I'd love it if there were only 2 left, but that seems unlikely. The possible team of Ogre, Cat, Zig, Cory is looking like a strong possibility. I'm willing to test the theory on Cat. I keep changing my mind and it's screwed me so far. Unless someone comes out as Gene, I think I'm good where I'm voting.

Yeah he used Green when plant was the lead witch I think and I nailed it but couldn't get anyone to follow. I'm leaning heavily that bad was switched to good. So that would put her on innocent and put the numbers most likely at 5-3 innocents.

With Corys insight about Zig and the votes I feeling better about a Cat Ogre team but now have to rethink a 3rd suspect.

 

[plantling]

1) you're smarter than that as I said on day one, you'd not leave an obvious trail and things like you being on JPap immediately after night one could easily be explained whether you are mafia or innocent. 2)after what just happened last night I am not feeling especially delighted at my own ability to read into what others have said.

Could you go back and check it and let us know? :silly: Having at least one evil right would be nice.

Now for everyone else...I've not seen Ice and HN really testing one another at all in this game. I've seen them test others. But not one another, and if they are confused as they say they are,...why not? It isn't as if they don't know the other's strengths and weaknesses in playing this game.

Cory, Ogre, Plant you 3 especially have seen them play often. Are you as uneasy about that as me?

As uneasy as if I needed preparation H. GAH, How blind was I. Of course they haven't even peeped at each other, they're a team.

Ahhh, I feel sick. This is really not good and I'm at a loss.




Yeah, I feel HN hasn't pressed on people as much as he normally does. Each game they usually go at it to some extent. The only reasons I can think they are not is A) they are on the same team B) they both think the other is innocent (which would be truly odd) C) craziness lol

Before nightfall, I posted that if jpappy or Zig are evil, the other one is most likely evil, and if one of them shows up innocent, the other is most likely innocent as well. My reasoning for that is that if one were evil, and the other innocent, I'm sure at least one evil would have saved the other evil from a tie. So if I follow that reasoning, Zig probably is innocent. I'm by no way clearing him, I just feel that there is a greater chance he is innocent then I did before night.

My suspects:

catfish
HN
Ice

Thanks for your insight CL. This is exactly my list also. How do you like that shade of green, guys?

 

[Grins]

Well I went back to see if I was right about Ice and Hook not challenging one another in the game. What I found was pretty weak on their parts if they really are confused innocents.

vote will probably land on Ziggy, Grins, back on Ogre, or Cat. Ice, JL, and Z always bear watching, but seem to be kicking bushes.

That wasn't going after, that was one of those weak mentions you toss out for distancing if you're mafia.

Ice- My concern here is twofold. I haven't been that concerned about him and realized that it's because after Morsegate he went kind of quiet. He's Neutral for me.

Stuck in the middle of a pretty much neutral on everyone post

Of the ones on JM I suspect you and Jpap the most followed by HN, then Grins. HN jumping off Zig onto JM to force the tie looks a bit suspect to me but if they are both innocents then it wasn't going to hurt him in either direction. There just seemed to be more evidence of Zig being evil then JM and I thought a 1st day vote and run wasn't a strong enough reason to vote JM. I didn't see HNs switch but since Ogre wasn't getting any votes and Zig was my 2nd suspect I was voting for him either way.

There Ice throws in at least a thought on HN but gives him an easy out.

Like I said at the time, they were my top 2 suspects. Like I've said since, I hate that I helped vote off JM, but she looked evil to me. I tied the vote, others clinched it. I was pretty sure about Zig last night, but the posts since have been better. Either he's settling in and thinking before he clicks send or being coached. I doubt the later.

Which he took and then Ice played back as if on cue:

Just posting a thought.
I actually have you pretty low on the suspect list along with Grins. Plant hasn't tiffed me in either direction so I didn't feel the need to include her at all. Jpap and JL are the ones that really stand out the most along with Zig. I feel that if Zig is evil then it cinches that Ogre is also.

Just two innocent townies working together huh guys?

I would have loved to go after JL or Ice for principal alone, but based on their posts (you're gonna hate this) mostly in the morse code, I don't think they are evil.

Of course not, stuff everyone said was innocent fun in morse told you there were innocent. :bs:

I was about to direct that same question towards you and / or Ice. I'm neither mafia, nor a boss of any kind. Tonight sucked, but the pain was eased with flexiril and miller lite. I am sorry Jpap. I thought you were guilty.

How did I supposedly "manipulate" you exactly Grins?

You did it masterfully. Thats how. I was suspecting you and Ice both the first day and then you're buddy buddy not suspecting me the 2nd.

To tell you the truth I was thinking about that today. It makes me real uneasy when HN doesn't attack me. But I haven't felt that vibe from him. He hasn't really done anything to look at as evil.
I haven't hit on an evil yet unless Zig turns up evil. HN hasn't hit an evil yet and neither have you Grins. So using votes has been hard to use as a base.

I'm not using votes, I'm using general questioning and anyone can plainly see that you two have avoided any real grilling of one another. Others have seen suspicion things of you both as individuals so you can't say nothing was there to ask about.

Likewise. I'd almost rather you had been doing something more scummy. I need to review, I'm worried that my worst fears could prove to be true.

I can just imagine what mafia chat must sound like when you guys read this together.

OK Hook, Ice... :bowing: at least promise me you'll share the mafia chat log with the rest of us. I'd love to read the gloating laughter..lol

Oh and by the way...is Cat on your team? What fun that would be. "yeah Cat post that again <insert laughter> they'll think you're confused and not think twice about you"

 

[Hooked Newbie]

As uneasy as if I needed preparation H. GAH, How blind was I. Of course they haven't even peeped at each other, they're a team.

If we are, we're on the right team. The ony reason I haven't gone after him is because of his posts. They are there for all to read, I have zero else to go by.

Thanks for your insight CL. This is exactly my list also. How do you like that shade of green, guys?

Hmmmm... exactly your list? What was your previous list?

I like that shade of green fine, but I'm not as sure as Ice that it was evil to good.

 

[plantling]

Hmmmm... exactly your list? What was your previous list?

I like that shade of green fine, but I'm not as sure as Ice that it was evil to good.

Are you trying to say I was good but now I'm evil? 'lil ole me? think again bud.

 

[plantling]

Hello Townies. Let's vote the junk outa here

 

[Grins]

Dear Town,
Unfortunately our first investigation was wasted on ZSand because the mafia hit him. Our second investigation last night revealed that Ogre is innocent. We obviously think that Ice and HN are are mafia. We do not know but have suspicions that Cat is as well and that Cory was perhaps mafia that was turned to townie last night by Hypo's vial.

Love,
BioEngineers Grins & Plant

p.s. You can stop gloating now Hook & Ice