Interesting..

well this will make for some very interesting days in the times to come

as it is with any great development in science there will be those who do their best to pervert it from its intent for which it came to be

time will tell

I will be the first to admit it, i have very strong views on cloning. The issues i have are they aren't doing this for a good research purpose. Second i dont view this as a great development, it's a step back and gives unregulated science. Unregulated science is a recipe for disaster. What steps did they take to decide this was a good thing, and how does it benefit us to have the ability to clone a dead creatures? An example, Dr Joseff Mengele in WWII did random research on twins and provided information we still use today. In his process he brutally murdered many people but resulted in better human survival, however is ethics were clearly wrong.
In respect to where science could logically go with this....... bringing back extinct species or long dead animals, I whole heartidly believe this is a bad decission. What good will come from it? Animals that died had their chance for survival and lost. Even animals that humans killed off. DO i think its sad they are dieing? Yes, of course. But, for some reason they didn't survive in the world today. plain and simple they are done. SOme people will use the excuse, "we need to restore the natural balance in an area. However, if the controlling species is dead, then nature needs to find it's own balance. Usually nature chooses disease, starvation, or aggression to control overpopulation. Bringing back a dead animal or an extinct animal will lead to the same problems we have in the pet trade. how many environments have been ruined by invasive species? Again there is a reason these creatures died. Heck the movie Jurrasic park is an over exagerated example of science gone wrong.

This science was not used to help regrow limbs or organs for people. The use of brain cells to grow the animals proves that that is not the case. to use brain surgery to regrow a limb or a heart or kidney is not a viable way to do things, the risk to people is too great. This is just science to say they did it. It proves nothing, and the fact that they did this over a hundred times and only had 7 survivors shows it's not a viable science. I have serious objection to the process. This is not responsible science. At least with Dolly the procell left the possibility of cloning for viable and good uses. This isn't even science for understanding, it's science for a process and to see if they can do it. THis process is of NO benefit to people, unless you are cloning lab animals after the host experiment has passed away.

I have yet to see how this is a major breakthrough. I am a natural clone (aka Identical twin) and I know how different twins can be. So translate that to clones. When cloning the only thing you will know, if things go correctly less than 10% of the time, is that the beings look the same and have the same DNA. So, in my opinion nature has already provided the answers to cloning successfully.
 
I don't think Mengele can be compared to these scientist by any means. Mengele was an evil purveyor of violence controlled by Hitler. I do believe that this type of research can help humanity as a whole but it takes experiments such as this to reach that point. Cloning just to clone I feel is wrong but who am I to say what is right and what is wrong. As I said this can be disastrous in the hands of the wrong person but it does have the potential to help millions worlwide.
 
I don't think Mengele can be compared to these scientist by any means. Mengele was an evil purveyor of violence controlled by Hitler. I do believe that this type of research can help humanity as a whole but it takes experiments such as this to reach that point. Cloning just to clone I feel is wrong but who am I to say what is right and what is wrong. As I said this can be disastrous in the hands of the wrong person but it does have the potential to help millions worlwide.

you are missing the point of their process. Their process is to take brain cells and use them to clone. invasive procedures on living creatures to clone would be more wrong, but their method of cloning really serves no benefit. to use a non crucial cell to clone would be ok.

And Mengele is a prime example of how methods get twisted. he was not being controlled by Hitler, he was performing the tests out of his own curiosity and evil intent. Unfortunately, his results have proven useful to the civilized world. His methods were wrong, ethics were wrong, and morals. If you look i keep coming back to the methods involved. The method serves no purpose. As far as cloning, there are limited benefits available for us from cloning, but this is not a method that is not one that is non invasive for the cell donor.

We can learn a lot by reading frankenstein and jurassic park. They show how science is easily corrupted by people who say "i bet i can do it" not "should i do it"
 
extinct animals great, i wanna see a haast eagle!!

people, dumb. literally, how could anyone think that a scientist could put a frozen finger in a box, press some buttons, and you would pop out exactly the same. i would hate to live that long :D
 
you are missing the point of their process. Their process is to take brain cells and use them to clone. invasive procedures on living creatures to clone would be more wrong, but their method of cloning really serves no benefit. to use a non crucial cell to clone would be ok.

And Mengele is a prime example of how methods get twisted. he was not being controlled by Hitler, he was performing the tests out of his own curiosity and evil intent. Unfortunately, his results have proven useful to the civilized world. His methods were wrong, ethics were wrong, and morals. If you look i keep coming back to the methods involved. The method serves no purpose. As far as cloning, there are limited benefits available for us from cloning, but this is not a method that is not one that is non invasive for the cell donor.

We can learn a lot by reading frankenstein and jurassic park. They show how science is easily corrupted by people who say "i bet i can do it" not "should i do it"
Your idea of what is wrong and my idea of what is wrong apparently are two seperate things and for sure not what the topic of this thread is. With that being said shall we agree to disagree on this topic:)
 
emagine the extinct birds and ther animals that culd be brught back but just smallr extinct birds


did you read any of CCM's posts up there?

the world evolves. things go extinct. it is not our place to try to preserve the past, as it is that way for a reason. think of the effects a "new" old species would bring upon the ecosystem it was introduced to. would be no different than dumping a fish back into local waters.

my beef is the same as CCM's.. you don't see huge articles about "healthy organs successfully cloned and used to save human lives", you see "look what we can do! aren't we cool?! oh, by the way, here's the potential.. we'll get to that after we clone 40 billion other species of life though"
 
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