Mafia #44 Christmas At ACville

[catfish69hunter]

Three other Innocents, have 3 presents that can be delivered. Two of the presents double a persons vote for one game night. One of them changes good to evil, or evil to good. These three Innocents can communicate outside the thread. When they decide to send the presents, they must say to who they want it delivered, at the start of the new game day; all three must let me know the chosen. The person chosen will be PM'd by me, they get to decide to open it or not, that game night. Otherwise, it is no good.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRESENT!

Sorry Cat. If u truly are a communicating innocent then I think u better check w/RB again. I have no new pm's besides the one that was sent to me by RB giving me my role. Now that I think of it, you said something earlier about thinking Dawg and myself might be on the communicating team. Now why would you do that if you yourself are on that team???

If there is a set-up it is Cat that is doing the set-up. Otherwise why would he wait and wait and stall w/telling us who he supposedly sent the present to. Then when I point out all the reasons he should he decides to stick it to me. If it's not some misunderstanding between Cat and RB then Cat is an evil elf or the Grinch himself.


I agree Blitzen should try and pick someone who is most likely innocent and not very active.

Plant look at what I underlined from the rules. I sent it at the beginning of the day as per Rb's request and as the rules say you will not get it till nightfall. That is why I didnt want to say now the twon wants to turn on me because you havent got the pm. Plain and simple you trust me or not.

If you dont trust me then .... Blitzen send your coal my way atleast then it proves my innocence and it give the innocents another good player.

 

[plantling]

First off tonight sucked, Eddie I must say that early on you really looked coached and if you dont get a sour taste from this first game I would love to play with you again. Now on to buisness.



First lets look at the way votes finally fell. Ok as we see T3L Caught the major windfall of their actions on the last minute joining the game and voting. I believe only 1 mafia joined in on the lynching of T3l and I believe that because the mafia knew that was a sinking ship as soon as he showed up. they let the town do the job for them.





Now lets look at my next big thing. here we have what I feel is a major tell on the part of these 2 folks i just quoted. As we see they both voted for the same person for the first night. Then they come out after nightfall and jump right back to gunning for noodles. Now this is what I get from this, and its that these 2 are a communicating pair. Now I do not know for 100% that its the evil pair because I feel plant of all people would be a better vet than that to slip up like that but... who knows.

All I know is that I'm going back to look harder at these 2.

Here is the post I was talking about. Cat thought Dawg and I were a communicating pair but he's not sure it's the evil pair. If he were on the innocent communicating side already why would he even consider us as a possible team and not on the evil side?

 

[catfish69hunter]

*now the TOWN*

 

[catfish69hunter]

Here is the post I was talking about. Cat thought Dawg and I were a communicating pair but he's not sure it's the evil pair. If he were on the innocent communicating side already why would he even consider us as a possible team and not on the evil side?

I was trying to point out that I thought you 2 were the evil pair. your getting rather jumpy now that you found out your getting the persent. are you nervous that it will do your team in?

 

[plantling]

Plant look at what I underlined from the rules. I sent it at the beginning of the day as per Rb's request and as the rules say you will not get it till nightfall. That is why I didnt want to say now the twon wants to turn on me because you havent got the pm. Plain and simple you trust me or not.

If you dont trust me then .... Blitzen send your coal my way atleast then it proves my innocence and it give the innocents another good player.

Whew! Well when you said the person should be getting the present I thought u had sent it and it should have been delivered at nightfall.

OK, I won't be able to confirm your story until tomorrow then but hopefully Rudolph is paying attention. You should not have come out yet IMO. There was no urgent need for you to, but what's done is done. Unless other information comes to light I hope Rudolph protects you next nightfall.

 

[Sploke]

Here is the post I was talking about. Cat thought Dawg and I were a communicating pair but he's not sure it's the evil pair. If he were on the innocent communicating side already why would he even consider us as a possible team and not on the evil side?

There is also probably a good chance that he wasn't ready to reveal himself as one of the communicating innocents at that point, I would imagine.

 

[catfish69hunter]

Whew! Well when you said the person should be getting the present I thought u had sent it and it should have been delivered at nightfall.

OK, I won't be able to confirm your story until tomorrow then but hopefully Rudolph is paying attention. You should not have come out yet IMO. There was no urgent need for you to, but what's done is done. Unless other information comes to light I hope Rudolph protects you next nightfall.

I expect that they are. In fact i'm counting on it per say. But yes I agree I didnt want to come out yet but I felt i would have been a good hit for night 3 seeing how I was up in arms about everything and running my mouth. I also was what appered to be a good lynch suspect the way you and several other jumped up late or after night to say they wanted to lynch me. I felt I was going to fall on night 3 and what good would that have been if I couldnt help the town. I was 50/50 on it but I tossed a coin and well the rest was history.

 

[plantling]

I was trying to point out that I thought you 2 were the evil pair. your getting rather jumpy now that you found out your getting the persent. are you nervous that it will do your team in?

Not jumpy just trying to make sense out of u, Cat. Thanks for the present, but all it will do is confirm whether or not u sent the present. That is if you or myself are not hit tonight. And as I stated only an innocent who would wish to become evil would open it so why is opening it even a question?

Sorry you have wasted your efforts. I wish u and the innocent communicators had been paying better attention. I just want to point out that I tried to get pple to realize that V2K and DD were most likely innocent. Why would an evil do that? Also if I were evil, I wouldn't have tried to vote out Noodles both days as I would have wanted to keep up the numbers of the evils, even if they weren't communicating they could still help. So are you sore b/c I voted for you and called u out on your theory about me and Dawg?

 

[plantling]

I expect that they are. In fact i'm counting on it per say. But yes I agree I didnt want to come out yet but I felt i would have been a good hit for night 3 seeing how I was up in arms about everything and running my mouth. I also was what appered to be a good lynch suspect the way you and several other jumped up late or after night to say they wanted to lynch me. I felt I was going to fall on night 3 and what good would that have been if I couldnt help the town. I was 50/50 on it but I tossed a coin and well the rest was history.

I think you panicked needlessly. The day had just started. I wasn't going to vote you again as Dawg had you high on his suspects and he was DD's nail in the coffin. I don't think that many pple if any have even voted.

 

[Sploke]

so assuming cat is telling the truth, we have a few situations. I am leaning toward the elf side for her, but still unsure. So, she can decline the present or not. 2/3 chance to double her vote, 1/3 chance she switches sides. We can either lynch her or not. If she opens it and turns good, or we just lynch her now, either way they are down one elf. If she declines it and we lynch her anyway, down one elf (still assuming she is evil). If she doubles her vote and is evil, and we lynch her, down one elf.

If she is good, she opens it and turns evil and we lynch her, we are less one innocent, but we would be anyway. The preemptive lynching just serves to prevent them from gaining one more evil elf. If she is good and opens it, doubling her vote, that could be a good thing. If she declines, nothing happens. I'm trying to resolve this into situations to count whether it would be better, odds-wise, to just lynch her anyway to ensure the elves don't get another one up on us.