Mafia #44 Christmas At ACville

[plantling]

Well plant what do we want to do is it dawg or is it mad.

I don't ever recall playing a game w/Mad while he was evil. I really don't know but his posts make sense and I found myself agreeing w/some of his points. He really hasn't been in any confrontations but then Ogre and Ice are not playing. But HN is and I'm a little worried that Mad did seem to give HN a pass when HN suggested the town follow you. His votes were on 3L, Noodles, JL, and Dawg. He was the first vote on 3L early day 1. I voted 3L too but changed it later when I thought 3L was going to UD. Mad kept his vote but then 3L did show up and was lynched. After Noodles left the game on day 2 Mad moved his vote to JL and was the lone vote on him which is a little worrisome. And on day 3 Mad was 2nd on Dawg, an unknown. And one other small thing is that Mad and I haven't had a rowe. We don't always but we have and it's been awhile since we've played together.

I think I have seen Dawg play evil b4 and he can be quite deceptive. Dawgs votes were on Noodles, Cat, DD, Dawg, and Piggy. The late voteswitch to DD is the most damaging to his image. Piggy does jump on Dawg for the self vote and asking to be blitzed but I think that might be distancing as Piggy later jumps on HN for the same thing. And the other thing that bugged me was that I didn't even seem to be on Dawg's mind until after the present scenario and your list w/me on it 2nd and my list with him on it. It could be that he's an innocent and was influenced by you. And Dawg is right in that he has waaaaay more posts than Mad to sift through.

I really don't know Cat. I could be wrong about Mad. I was wrong about JL. For awhile I thought Mad was Rudolph. Your choice. I will stick w/whatever you decide.

 

[plantling]

Brandi, feel free to offer your opinions when you post.

 

[catfish69hunter]

I have an idea lets spilt the votes on mad and dawg. I believe they are the ones to leave then it will be up to bala then there is no complaining and then It will make it as fair as possible. As well I'm not 100% on either of them. What say you plant?

 

[FireDancer7905]

Ok, I'm reading and trying to catch up. I am truly sorry for being mia for so long, but that test just about killed me! I swear, the liquid they make you drink is enough to send oyu into diabetic shock in and of itself! Anyway, I'm home now. I knew piggy was evil!!! I'll be sure to post a vote tonight, based on cat's recommendation.

 

[FireDancer7905]

Remind me, why is Plant a known innocent?

 

[FireDancer7905]

Remind me, why is Plant a known innocent?

Nevermind. Got it.

 

[FireDancer7905]

WTF?! Go ahead and vote for me to lose the game. Who'd I vote for again? A vote on Dawg would have been so easy. The evils deserve to win after the way they've played us all...

This seems awfully defensive. I know it sucks to be voted out, or thought evil, but you usually don't react this way. (I do understand about being short on time. It still feels off for you.)

You would think that, HN now wouldn't you. I know who you and Mad are because I know what I am. The Town just has to hope that Plant and Cat make the right choice.

I don't like the tone of this post. Anyone who implies innocence like this (saying it outright went the way of the dodo a few games in) is of concern.

IF we get mad then its over if hes innocent then its dawg. No matter which way we go its a win for us

So is this my cue to lynch Mad?

Nope. It's definitely Dawg and probably HN. Based on the fact that FD voted piggy as frequently as she did, I really don't like her for scum.

If I am innocent, and so are Plant and Cat, and you say you are too, who else could it be except Dawg and HN? I see no probably.

Both Dawg and Piggy were on DD early on Day 2 for weak reasons which makes me think they may have investigated her. And Dawg's late jump onto DD not only lynched Santa, but saved the Grinch...

After being the late kill vote on Santa, Dawg looks like he was trying to draw all the attention away from piggy by voting for himself and begging people to give him a hard time. Even while voting for piggy, he still admitted that he looked scummy.

If you'll note, neither piggy or Dawg were each other's first choices for votes. Dawg was on himself and piggy was on cat...as the day progressed, they moved to each other.

One more thing about Dawg. When V2K neglected to vote on time, and rb didn't kill him off immediately, Dawg was the first one to ask about it... seemed a little anxious about it. Definitely wanted V2K gone.
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Piggy wasn't Dawg's 1st choice... Dawg was, in an apparent attempt to draw heat off of the grinch.

I'm really not sure where this is coming from. I know you're trying to help the town, cat, but you're logic has been off a few times this game... ie, thinking noodles was a town PR and the whole 'lynch plantling if she opens the present.'

You keep overlooking Dawg, and it doesn't make sense. Dawg is as scummy as they get.

Slight chance of Dawg? IT'S DAWG.

Here's the thing, if we lynch an innocent, there's no next night... the best we can hope for is a tie. If an innocent is lynched, then the elves kill an innocent...it's tied 2-2. The next night comes down to a runoff, with 2 scum on one candidate and 2 townies on another. If the flip goes the elve's way, they win... if not they still kill a townie and its a 1-1 tie. GAME OVER.

We absolutely need to hit scum tonight.

I want to believe your case against dawg, and I think I do. My problem is that I think you could be evil, too. If you throw Dawg under the bus, you get one more day (and apparently one more hit), while the town lynched HN.

Cat wants to vote me, which I'm against .... and even though HN says that he's willing to open the present, assuming he's scum, I doubt he will.

I thought this, too.

Because I wanted to get a vote in and I don't think the present is a good idea unless you confirmed (as I said before) that you can send both to the same person on the same night and they can open both of them.

As I have said before Plant, Cat & Fire have the toughest choice today. For the rest of us it is easy because we know who we are. So knowing who I am and wanting the Townies to win I am going to UD.

I retract my vote for Hooked and I vote for NO ONE

I suggest you all vote for Mad because if the present thing works HN will be an innocent after tonight. I'm done and will take myself out so you all don't have to waste your votes tonight.

If I UD, you lynch Mad and HN is turned innocent then you guys win. I'm sorry I didn't give you any better reasons to believe me.

Self-sacrifice is often a last ditch effort by evils to sway votes.

I have an idea lets spilt the votes on mad and dawg. I believe they are the ones to leave then it will be up to bala then there is no complaining and then It will make it as fair as possible. As well I'm not 100% on either of them. What say you plant?

I think that this might be the best course of action. So, I vote for.....? I'll go back and check.

 

[FireDancer7905]

I want to make sure I have this straight:

2 evils, 4 innocents

Cat, Plant, Fire and _______.

Possibly evil: Dawg, Mad and HN.

2 presents delivered to HN. If he opens them, he becomes innocent. If he decides not to, we lynch him just prior to nightfall.

The votes get split between Dawg and Mad. Bala decides who goes. Even if the innocent is killed, we outnumber them. The game is won, 5-1, because we automatically vote the remaining evil.

Is this right? I think it's a good plan.

to lynch.....

Dawg (3) cat 1046 plnt 1047 mad 1058


3 of 6 have voted.....

Based on above plan to split votes,

I vote to lynch Mad.

But what happens if Dawg UDs? Does everythign fall apart? ...best laid plans of mice and men and all that.....

 

[plantling]

I have an idea lets spilt the votes on mad and dawg. I believe they are the ones to leave then it will be up to bala then there is no complaining and then It will make it as fair as possible. As well I'm not 100% on either of them. What say you plant?

GAH! We're in a pickle b/c the thing is that if the innocent votes are not all on the same person then there could be a tie if the evils switch at the last minute. Hook's 2 votes plus the other would be 3 and this would equal the votes from yourself, fire, and me. Mad won't vote Mad and Dawg won't vote Dawg. I think his vote is still on NO ONE. So essentially I think it's an all or none kinda situation. I agree w/Brandi that the pity stuff from Dawg is out of character for an innocent. Unless his feelings are really hurt. But I think he is made of sterner stuff so it is most likely an act from him. On the other hand if there is a tie then we will KNOW who the last two evils are but then if we lose the coin toss then we loose two innocents and it will be 2 to 2 for the next day. So unless I'm overseeing something the whole game will become a coin toss. Which may not be bad but everything will be put in Bala's hands. But whatever u wanna do Cat.

If we vote out Dawg and he is innocent then it will also come down to a tie breaker. But if Dawg is evil and HN is currently evil then Game Over, we win.

If we vote out Mad and he is innocent then there'll also be a tie. But if Mad is evil and HN is currently evil then Game Over, we win.

If Hooked is innocent or if Brandi is evil (which I can't imagine right now) then all of the above is useless banter.

 

[catfish69hunter]

I agree plant but here is the issue. I know mad is a world class mafia player and his play right now could be a cover up and It would be a good one. Then we have dawg who was trying to vote with us. I will look back one more time but I dont know yet.