Mafia #44 Christmas At ACville

[catfish69hunter]

I can see that. I'd have to say my top 3 right now would be...

1. piggy- based alot on voting you before confirmation or denial of your claim was provided. Also had some weird interactions before hand.

2. Dawg- Could have been nothing, but I can't dismiss the way he and DD went at it.

3. Plant- Got a bit overly defensive IMO even though I do think the present controversy was blown a bit out of proportion and based mostly on misunderstanding.

I do need to reread through some of the posting that I had to speed read over, I've had a terrible read on the game so far. I was sure that Virt was noob mafia.

1)Dawg,because of his last min vote for DD.
2) JL,i've had a bad feeling with him from the start and he's been gunning for me as well.
3)plant,she hasn't been honest about the whole present thing,she ask for it and got it,hmmmmm strange to me.

As far as my list of top 3 at this point:

1. Dawg - the late kill vote on DD was REALLY scummy. And the vote for himself along with the 'I had a 50/50 chance,' only make it worse. He also started pushing for DD early on Day 2, based on the fact that Eddie got hit.


2. Piggy - early on DD, and cast the 1st vote for her with not a very strong reason. Seems odd, seeing that he was all over JL on Day 1. To seemingly jump on DD out of thin air looks suspicious

3. No firm 3rd here:
- Sploke, he really seems to have given a few qualifications for his vote on DD. 1st he qualifies that he doesn't want to align himself with Piggy, yet he does and 2nd he makes it sound like he doesn't really want to lynch DD....just wants to make the voting closer and see what happens. Yet, he rides the vote to nightfall.


- JL, his vote switch on Day 1 to save himself, falls way outside of what he's done in the past.

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With that said, I vote to lynch Dawg.

Now I have to go back and find dawgs cause I couldnt the first time through But as we see Piggy picked Dawg Plant and Jl and 2 of 3 are known innocents. Hooked had piggy dawg then plant. And mad had Dawg Piggy and sploke.

Now I hate to say it this way but I dont think that piggy had the mafia intellagiance or experiance to put dawg on his list to protect and distance him from the rest. what do you think plant.

 

[plantling]

All this is assuming that Hooked is evil.
Here Mad points out that Hooked hasn't made a case on V2K yet though he's voted him.

Interesting case, HN. I do believe, however, you've got a vote on V2K that you've yet to give a reason for...unless I missed it.

Hook's reply:

I simply don't buy the lame excuses... I think he got called out for trying to lay low after garnering attention and choked when trying to come up with a quick excuse.

Come to think of it... I could have missed it so far, but who are YOUR top suspects right now and why?

Mad's reply:

Obviously noodles was up there as she got my vote with plenty of reasoning behind it, which it turns out was correct...not sure how you missed it.

After noodles, JL would be my next best suspect... JL's game is way different this time. Not the fact that he was really vocal on Day 1, but the fact that he's playing somewhat selfishly this game. Switching votes to save himself is not only outside of JL's previous game philosophy, but a decent scumtell.

With noodles gone... I vote to lynch JL

I'm sure if the dialogue is distancing. Would you call out a teammate for failing to make a case on someone he's voted for? They both are very good players though.

Hey dawg we just said between us both that we give hooked the presents and lynch madd then you come out ant vote hooked? why?

LOL, been skimming, Dawg.

 

[plantling]

Now I have to go back and find dawgs cause I couldnt the first time through But as we see Piggy picked Dawg Plant and Jl and 2 of 3 are known innocents. Hooked had piggy dawg then plant. And mad had Dawg Piggy and sploke.

Now I hate to say it this way but I dont think that piggy had the mafia intellagiance or experiance to put dawg on his list to protect and distance him from the rest. what do you think plant.

I'm sure he was coached how to give lists in a chatroom. It was getting down to the wire. They needed to put at least one teammate on their list.

 

[catfish69hunter]

Here's my top 3...

1. Piggy - I think DD investigated them and then put a vote on them. The vote for Cat before the reveal by delivery of the present is another strike. The third strike is this quote which is out of left field somewhere...



^^ I take it he meant Dawg.

2. Plant - I think Plant has been trying to stop Cat from helping us win this game. Cat is the only confirmed innocent who has someone else on their side to communicate with. They have a big advantage over us because they can communicate without the evils seeing it in this thread.

3. JL - I'm really not sure though.

Well heres dawg's list. He has Piggy plant and Jl. Now here we have 2 confirmed innocents yet again. Man Plant this is hard.

 

[plantling]

Just some posts I found interesting between Dawg, HN, Piggy

Well I'm not surprised about HN. He has some other things on his mind right now I suspect.... HN actually UD'd last game which is why I am saying this.

Dawg made excuses for HN.

Of course now that I think of it HN was evil last game too.

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Piggy bugged both Dawg and Hooked about their asking to be blitzed.

Dawg,i'm not downing you for your vote against DD,i really thought she was evil,but you switching your vote at the last min seems fishy,also by you saying i vote for dawg to get the town to pitty you was a smart move,but a transparent one,then you want the coal,another ploy for pitty imo.

I don't need any pity...vote for me if you like. I have no problem with it. I screwed up big time and I'm ready to face the consequences if I have to. My plea for the coal was not for pity it was to help save the Town. I figured that was the least I could do after last night.

Argh... that night thoroughly sucked. Sorry I wasn't around (I'll not bore you with RL stuff you probably won't believe anyway). If I had been around, I probably would have voted for Cat though so that shows how good of a read I have on the game at this point. I'm fine with anything that will help the town at this point. Lynch me, Blitz me, whatever if it helps. I'm going to read back over the posts from folks on Cat's list since I think we have no choice but to believe him for now.

Cat, if you're evil and this is a ploy, it's the ballsiest one I've seen.

Lynch me,Blitz me,that's not gonna work,Dawg already played that card.laying low for a reason HN?

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Hook's plans to follow Cat

Ok, I have some time this evening while she is studying for finals.

I'd like to propose something and am totally open for feedback. The best chance we have to turn this around and score a town victory is to play as a team and by consensus. With Cat's claims confirmed, we need to follow his lead. I am willing to vote for whomever on his list he is most sure of as evil (even if that's me). If his list is good, it should work out easily in our favor and based on what I've seen I think it's a pretty good list.

Would everyone else be willing to follow that plan? Why or why not? Feedback? Better ideas?

Piggy ignores it

in light of this new evidence,i feel i must apologize to the town.first a voted for DD,then i thought cat and plant was decieving the town.finding evil's is harder then i thought.for the reason dawn switch his vote at the last min against dd.i vote to lynch dawg

Did you read my post made 20 minutes before your's piggy? Any thoughts or opinions on what I propose?

well,base on cat being honest,and turning out to be an innocent.i did retract my vote,as far as his list,i don't agree withit,tnot because i'm at the top because i'm at the top and am innocent,but simply because of dawg switching his vote ,effectively lynching santa,i think DD investigated DAWN thats why he changed his vote at the last min.

Dawg agrreees w/it

I agree with this plan.



I would have no idea if DD investigated me. Grasping at straws hey Piggy? I have no problem with your vote for me but the reason behind it is flawed big time. I think DD investigated you and that's why she voted for you.

Well heres dawg's list. He has Piggy plant and Jl. Now here we have 2 confirmed innocents yet again. Man Plant this is hard.

No kidding!!!
Gnight more tomorrow

 

[Madcrawdad]

OK my choices are mad and hooked.

Nope. It's definitely Dawg and probably HN. Based on the fact that FD voted piggy as frequently as she did, I really don't like her for scum.

Both Dawg and Piggy were on DD early on Day 2 for weak reasons which makes me think they may have investigated her. And Dawg's late jump onto DD not only lynched Santa, but saved the Grinch...

After being the late kill vote on Santa, Dawg looks like he was trying to draw all the attention away from piggy by voting for himself and begging people to give him a hard time. Even while voting for piggy, he still admitted that he looked scummy.

If you'll note, neither piggy or Dawg were each other's first choices for votes. Dawg was on himself and piggy was on cat...as the day progressed, they moved to each other.

One more thing about Dawg. When V2K neglected to vote on time, and rb didn't kill him off immediately, Dawg was the first one to ask about it... seemed a little anxious about it. Definitely wanted V2K gone.

Virt UD'd ?

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Dawg voted Noodles (Cant be counted she was lone evil) Then DD which killed santa. Then he voted for Piggy which goes well for him.

Piggy wasn't Dawg's 1st choice... Dawg was, in an apparent attempt to draw heat off of the grinch.

Hooked voted vit for the first 2 nites then he moved to pigg for night 3 IMO to cover his tracks.

Agreed.

Madd voted T3l then Jl and then Dawg. Mad is evil.....

I'm really not sure where this is coming from. I know you're trying to help the town, cat, but you're logic has been off a few times this game... ie, thinking noodles was a town PR and the whole 'lynch plantling if she opens the present.'

You keep overlooking Dawg, and it doesn't make sense. Dawg is as scummy as they get.

Yes IMO the last 2 evils are mad and hooked with a slight chance of dawg. Now dawg here is your option you get to vote yourself or hooked

Slight chance of Dawg? IT'S DAWG.

IF we get mad then its over if hes innocent then its dawg. No matter which way we go its a win for us

Here's the thing, if we lynch an innocent, there's no next night... the best we can hope for is a tie. If an innocent is lynched, then the elves kill an innocent...it's tied 2-2. The next night comes down to a runoff, with 2 scum on one candidate and 2 townies on another. If the flip goes the elve's way, they win... if not they still kill a townie and its a 1-1 tie. GAME OVER.

We absolutely need to hit scum tonight.

 

[plantling]

Slight chance of Dawg? IT'S DAWG.


Here's the thing, if we lynch an innocent, there's no next night... the best we can hope for is a tie. If an innocent is lynched, then the elves kill an innocent...it's tied 2-2. The next night comes down to a runoff, with 2 scum on one candidate and 2 townies on another. If the flip goes the elve's way, they win... if not they still kill a townie and its a 1-1 tie. GAME OVER.

We absolutely need to hit scum tonight.

I keep thinking it's Dawg, too. I don't think I've ever played w/you while you were scum but I can't find anything really scummy in your posts, Mad.

What do you think about Cats plan to give the present to Hooked and potentially turn him good while we vote Dawg?

 

[Madcrawdad]

I keep thinking it's Dawg, too. I don't think I've ever played w/you while you were scum but I can't find anything really scummy in your posts, Mad.

What do you think about Cats plan to give the present to Hooked and potentially turn him good while we vote Dawg?

Cat wants to vote me, which I'm against .... and even though HN says that he's willing to open the present, assuming he's scum, I doubt he will.

 

[plantling]

I went back to see what I could get for clues from Noods and I think it is useless. Since she was a Non-Com she was as confused as we were about who was evil or innocent. Since it was only day one she could not have been investigated by the evil elves.

Some of the evils may even have voted for her. I can see now that she was taking the easy road and voting for JL at first because he stuck out and then on to 3L when he came out of left field. It is nice to know I had my sites on an evil though.

Here Dawg boosts his self image by saying he had his sites on an evil (noodles).

Not jumpy just trying to make sense out of u, Cat. Thanks for the present, but all it will do is confirm whether or not u sent the present. That is if you or myself are not hit tonight. And as I stated only an innocent who would wish to become evil would open it so why is opening it even a question?

Sorry you have wasted your efforts. I wish u and the innocent communicators had been paying better attention. I just want to point out that I tried to get pple to realize that V2K and DD were most likely innocent. Why would an evil do that? Also if I were evil, I wouldn't have tried to vote out Noodles both days as I would have wanted to keep up the numbers of the evils, even if they weren't communicating they could still help. So are you sore b/c I voted for you and called u out on your theory about me and Dawg?

You wouldn't have known what noodles was.

But when I tried to explain that my actions had all been for the best of the town including trying to vote out Noodles Dawg skips the rest and comments that I didn't know who Noodles was.

Yes, now that Cat has been established a confirmed innocent let's get on to discussing other things besides the present. It has served it's purpose IMO. And like I said if I look scummy to anyone feel free to make your case.

I think the votes on DD warrant looking at. I believe the order of the votes were Piggy, Sploke, JP, and Dawg. JP is was a comm innocent so I believe the most suspicious looking vote on DD is Dawg. It was pretty bold of him if he is Mafia. I have not played enough games w/him to tell if this is a move he would usually make when Mafia.

Anyone?

Here I wanted to look more closely at the DD votes and asked ppl's opinions about Dawg's gameplay.

IMO...no one knew who DD was. Hence the vote from Jpap. There had not been any investigations because DD was doing the investigating for the innocents and the evil didn't get an investigation until night 2. Santa wasn't communicating with the innocents.

I do however think that DD had investigated Piggy on night 1 and that is why she voted for them.

Here Dawg brushes it off by saying no one knew who DD was not even JP. This reminded me a little about what Noodles was saying about her votes. No accountability. Also I think Dawg may have suspected that DD investigated Piggy when she voted Piggy. That would explain the risky move to kill Santa. He got all in arms when I wanted to take a better look at DD's posts to see any indication that she'd had a successful investigation.

I am still looking at the others including Piggy, but nothing strikes me about them yet. I have to look at DD's posts again but didn't find anything to indicate that she had investigated an evil.

This in bold really bothers me, Plant. Why would DD want to give any clue that she was Santa so early in the game? She is the only innocent that could investigate. If she said anything she would be hit by the mafia.

Well she wasn't hit by the Mafia, she was lynched by them, albeit w/the help of unsuspecting innocents.

I just checked into the hotel. I am going to grab a bite to eat and I will be back.

I am a little disturbed by the turn of events.

I vote to lynch piggy67

I had thought DD had fallen off of the radar and the frame up by hitting eddie was weak at best.

If any of you feel bad for lynching santa, then I suggest you do the right thing and lynch piggy.

If I would have been able to change, I would have changed. I am also curious of who else had voted noodles in the past.

I will study it some more as I have lots of free time this evening. Tomorrow during the day and most of the evening I will be tied up, but then free at night and should be around for the next night fall.

JL urged everyone who voted Santa to vote piggy.

I agree. Santa had the only innocent investigations and DD wanted Piggy out. So...I retract my vote for Dawg and I vote to lynch Piggy.

I think at this point Dawg decided to give up his boss to the wolves in an effort to look good.

I may be completely wrong but I really think Dawg is an evil along w/Hooked. Their banter last night "Good Job Dawg" and all was most likely for distancing.

I'd more sooner like to put Dawg up for the lynch than Mad. What say you Cat?

 

[plantling]

Cat wants to vote me, which I'm against .... and even though HN says that he's willing to open the present, assuming he's scum, I doubt he will.

Hopefully Cat will agree to vote out Dawg first. We will know at least an hour before nightfall whether Hooked opens the present. If he doesn't we can switch to him or keep on Dawg and vote Hooked the following night. I guess we're making Hooked "open it or else". What do you think, Mad?