Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[mostlycichlids]

How am I being defensive....I got one random vote and one vote from Luv who seems to be targeting me just because I asked her about the pizza question. Now she is calling me defensive for no apparent reason and has not answered my last two questions.

 

[mostlycichlids]

I am going out to eat I am hoping to be back before nightfall.

 

[Coler]

Of everyone right now I am inclined towards Noodles...and kinda JM as well...sorta feeling it for MC...and Kashta actually - but these are basically so weak as ought to be considered random and not based on anything useful. Insofar as its D1, unless anything better presents itself that's sorta where I will be putting a vote ultimately...if I do vote.

 

[noodles62]

It is highly possible that this little dialogue that is going on between Bugz and MC is a ploy, distancing, so to speak. There truly is not much else to go on yet, so based on that assumption I vote to lynch Luvbugz. She has peaked my curiousoity a tad more than MC at this point. Granted it is not a solid reason but it's what I've got at this point in the game......this is open to change if people actually start playing more (or at all for some!) and give me something else to go off of.

 

[noodles62]

Coler, you are starting to make me uneasy, and not because I am at the top of your list. Not sure what it is yet.....instinct? intuition? dunno.....

 

[Kashta]

hmmmm......Been gone all day and there is already 9 pages of posts to read. Time to review what I have missed.

Interesting. Posted once about reading but nothing after that?

Hmm jpapp, that does raise some suspicion.

This sequence seems suspicious to me.

1. Agassizii shows up, makes one post, (presumably reads 9 pages), then doesn't follow that up with post after all.
2. Jpappy calls this "interesting."
3. MC suggested it does raise suspicion.

Is that interesting? Not really. Is that suspicious? No, I don't believe so. Not only is this Agassizii first mafia game here... it's a newly registered member to the site who doesn't know any of us (presumably). Perhap's this is someone familiar with mafia games elsewhere... there's no way of knowing that. Perhaps, they've been a lurker at the site for a long while before registering... can't guess much on that either. So the only impression I get from this (after discounting both of those) is I don't feel it particularly interesting OR suspicious that a new member AND a new player would take one look at the first 9 pages and not feel compelled to post again right away.

For MC to take a truly non-commital/unremarkable thing like Jpapp's comment and raise it up a notch from interesting to suspicious is..... well, suspicious. MC is trying too hard, IMO.

9 times out of 10 a scum player is a mid to low poster. You may get one outlier from a vet who is normally talkative but usually the others tend to blend in.

Take last game.

mav- middle
Kashta- middle
coler- very high post count
mc- middle

These players were rebels from the start. No doubt that if more players lasted the full game the scum with middle posts would have been lower in the ranking. So saying that all mafia "play the game" is not going to be true. And as Ice pointed out, this game play is different than the last chunk we have played.

Quoting this not as anything significant, just noting that Coler's very high post count was well compressed into a very narrow period of time just before nightfall #3 when he already knew that game was won by the mafia.

Well, looking back now I guess I do have a suspicion about Luvbugs with her pizza Q asking Kash and then her singling out DD and Ice with saying they were the only ones to get the joke. I got some thinking to do.

I'm fairly suspcious about Luvbugs hoping to place a defacto scum association on me. Not because I think she was actually trying to get people after me.. but because she was trying to drum up interest against someone (anyone) instead of seeing if anyone actually DOES something suspicious first.

I don't agree with that logic. Why would you want someone around not contributing...I mean on day one there is a 50/50 chance they are either mafia or innocent right? Yes in a lot of the games the UD's are innocent but you never really know till balla reveals their identity.

Nope.. it's not a 50-50 split in this game. It's either more like 75-25 or maybe 66-33. MC isn't trying to actually root out scum... he seems to be trying to throw out a LOT of noise that makes him appear to be helping the town when he's really just adding to our general confusion instead.

I have to disagree with "the absense of howlers so far.." Coler. I totally think my pizza comment is trying to be used against me by some mafia members. I think that is the reason why it keeps being brought up eventhough I have explained myself fairly well. The one person who keeps bringing it up the most is MC. So, hence my vote. He has done both of what I consider scum tells. He tried to call me out as scummy first thing and now has also voted for a UD, but has left himself open to go back after me. I VOTE TO LYNCH MC.

Luvbugz protests too much about mafia (really, the mafia?) trying to use her pizza comment against her. She did get everyone to glance at her because of it... but seriously, who's actually gone after her about it? Some valid questions were raised by several people.. but no one has bothered making that much of it. So... for Luvbugz to use this reason to justify voting MC doesn't seem to measure up to what she claims this to be. Ice (who voted Coler) and DD (who hasn't voted yet) both raised more of a thing over this than MC (who voted Dopehand) did. I think Luvbugz is looking for a safe place to throw her vote, more hoping to appear innocent for her own reasons than to actually help us ID the scum with just over 3 hours left to go before nightfall.

While I am leaning toward Luvbugz as well at this point, based on what I've pointed out here plus what Ice did, as well....

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids.

MC seems to be working real hard to cast suspicion all over the place. So for now, he gets my vote. But I may also switch to Luvbugz after a while as I continue to keep tabs on this to see what develops (if anything).

 

[IceH2O]

I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.

I wanted to give my opinion on this real fast then I'll return to read the rest of the thread.

Why would the mafia want to get rid of non participants?

Lets say we have 4 non participants, 4 mafia and 2 innocents left. The mafia know who are what but the innocents still have 9 players to choose from as possible mafia. Well since the 4 nons were quiet there is no case to build except non participation where with the other 2 innocents the mafia knows and just votes them out.




I wish I had thought of this earlier as it becomes a problem with the game.
Z, what happens when the mafia out numbers participating players? You going to make them lynch and hit them hoping that after a week they reappear or will you just call the game? I think this is really why the UD was put in place.

 

[Dangerdoll]

actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...

 

[IceH2O]

Coler while those things might be true again I say this is a completely different strategy game then most.

I see you trying to lead the town away from being able to pull evidence. If there is no trail we have no leads.

As stated above having non participants near games end is a nice cover for the mafia.

 

[noodles62]

Coler while those things might be true again I say this is a completely different strategy game then most.

I see you trying to lead the town away from being able to pull evidence. If there is no trail we have no leads.

As stated above having non participants near games end is a nice cover for the mafia.

I agree with the bolded statement above. In the rules it states that there are no UD's so the lurkers need to be flushed out. Hence my initial vote for a non poster. BUT it has been the case more times than not that the non/low posters were townies so this is shaky ground.