Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

jpappy789 said:
Hmmm...

I retract my vote on Wycco and vote to lynch rocker

If you look at the votes, rocker voted for Zaffy in post 24. The only person to have multiple votes at that time was Kash (because of Luv) and then Zaffy. Why throw a third vote on someone this early, especially without a reason?

Another thing that seemed odd. Here luv implies that Jm post w/o a vote was intentional and possibly suspicious it seems, yet luv was the one to post right after Jm thus doubling there vote. IMO, yes it could very well be intentional but for a different reason. Try to follow me:

Two mafia could plan before they post for the day to post right after each other with the first "forgetting" a vote. Therefore one of the teammates vote is counted twice. This allows them to put another vote on an innocent. Instead of both people voting for the same person they can do the same without leaving any connections between them.

I think its farfetched for two teammates to plan this right away. But I think anyone who forgets a vote in their first post AFTER the first night should be a suspect.

Different game Luv...this "feeling" has no merit at all.

While I don't necessarily think you an Jm did any pre-game planning, your post above is kinda scummy.
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This is fantastic. Logical and concise.

The scary part is I'm suddenly seeing this is A) a way to push votes onto someone else and B) A cover for a teammate that fracked up.

One of the reasons that I find this less than comforting is that Luv brought the opinion that JMs misstep might be intentional. Could it have been the wrong person getting the extra vote?

I'm starting to think the whole give you're vote away to a teammate is waaay too fraught with peril to even try. I think JM made an honest mistake. I also think that Luv jumped really hard and really fast on it and now JPap is trying to calm everyone down about it without getting his teammate killed.

Kashta said:
Thought of something else. We have a communicating innocent team this time... the detective and cops can talk to each other. So the good guys could set this up as well the mafia. Even if it looks suspicious or staged, we wouldn't know (by this alone) whether it's good or bad.

There is some connection at least.. we're all going to look at both Luv and JM closer now than we would have otherwise. They're connected in a way at least for this day whether that was intended or not.
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I'm not sure I buy this. The process of doing something like this would really push suspicion on the people doing it. Look at all of us on luv and JM.

IceH2O said:
Not exactly sure why the innocent team would need or want to let 1`person on the team have double the votes. Seems though it would be a better choice to have 2 separate votes they can place in other areas if needed. Even if it were an option I doubt it would be used on Day 1.

What really bothers me though is you pointing out a possible communicating innocent team.
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Holy crap. One game I agree with John, now I'm agreeing with Ice. Moving to Austin must have really mellowed me out. ;)
 
IceH2O said:
Not exactly sure why the innocent team would need or want to let 1`person on the team have double the votes. Seems though it would be a better choice to have 2 separate votes they can place in other areas if needed. Even if it were an option I doubt it would be used on Day 1.
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I don't think it was intentional in this case either, Ice. Day 1 voting is so stupid and random it's hard enough to decide who to vote for once, much less twice. But later in the game as we go, either side might have a good reason (to them) to do exactly that. If the standings are close enough it's enough to tip the balance for either the team to get control enough to lynch anyone they want.

IceH2O said:
What really bothers me though is you pointing out a possible communicating innocent team.
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Ice, there's nothing mysterious or secretive about the innocent team being able to communicate. It's plain enough to see in the first post. And I'm just working out the rules and how the roles work.

What Jpappy said about how the mafia could use this to their advantage... even blatantly at some point when they know it gives them more control then they should get was really a sobering thought. Then I realized it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it wasn't the mafia doing it.

Besides, any time there's something new to figure out about the rules/game mechanics I'm cautious about it. I thought of something that hadn't been mentioned before, so I posted it.
 
Kashta said:
I don't think it was intentional in this case either, Ice. Day 1 voting is so stupid and random it's hard enough to decide who to vote for once, much less twice. But later in the game as we go, either side might have a good reason (to them) to do exactly that. If the standings are close enough it's enough to tip the balance for either the team to get control enough to lynch anyone they want.
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Type correction: That part should read "for either team..."
 
one more quick Q, is nightfall every 48 hours or 24 hours?
 
Kashta said:
Ice, there's nothing mysterious or secretive about the innocent team being able to communicate. It's plain enough to see in the first post. And I'm just working out the rules and how the roles work.

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Doesn't matter we know there is a communicating innocent team,we don't know who they are.
But you pointed to 2 players that could be part of the innocent team and announced them as possible CIs.
 
IceH2O said:
Doesn't matter we know there is a communicating innocent team,we don't know who they are.
But you pointed to 2 players that could be part of the innocent team and announced them as possible CIs.
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No I didn't, Ice. You're taking a discussion subject about rules and possibilities... and how this voting scheme John dreamed up might be applied later on in the game (which is what I've been talking about) and are now making it sound like my focus here was on Day 1. That is not the case, whatever you're trying to do with it.

Jpappy came up with the idea of teammates doing this on purpose to snatch an extra vote they could use. Even if someone does that in this game, which may not even happen..... it's pointless to bother with it on the first Day.

When Jpappy posted the idea, he said we should be suspcious whenever that happens AFTER THE FIRST DAY. But he was talking about the mafia doing it. And since there are two teams, not just one... we shouldn't make that mafia connection or suspicion out of something like that automatically.

So.... I posted the flip side of that same coin. We should question it... like everything else. But to slant it one way or another when it could really go either way is not something we should do based on assumption.

I've also already said (twice) that I don't think Luv and JM coordinated this on purpose.

See below.

Kashta said:
I agree with DD here... but if it's coordinated (which I don't think this really is), then it wouldn't be up to just Luv and JM to work this out between each other. With 30+ players this time, the mafia size (at 25%) would be 6 players. Someone else in that grouping very likely would be a veteran player who could've figured this angle out even before we started. So.... that team would just decide who's least likely to be viewed as someone who would have thought of doing it.
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Kashta said:
I don't think it was intentional in this case either, Ice. Day 1 voting is so stupid and random it's hard enough to decide who to vote for once, much less twice. But later in the game as we go, either side might have a good reason (to them) to do exactly that. If the standings are close enough it's enough to tip the balance for either the team to get control enough to lynch anyone they want.
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