Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

[jm1212]

Is that your order?

no, but one of my only suspects at this point is Luvbugz.

 

[IceH2O]

I am lost on this one.

I think MC thinks I have him as a suspect. The post he pulled the quote from was directed at Kash and her notion that I should know that MC voted Fire because of last game.

 

[OgreMkV]

Well I'm busier than expected this week but I'm giving it the old college try to stay informed. To put a suspect list out I would suggest these are my top three of interest:

Luv: Obviously the defensiveness towards early votes and questioning have me perplexed. It is never fun to see your name in bold, but on Day 1 it happens all the time so I still don't see why Luv reacted the way they did.

Kash: She's a little firey this round, even a bit DDish if I may say so. Plus she asked to be mafia in the sign-up thread and that has to count for something.

Orge: How can I have a scum list and not include Ogre? Nothing solid here, just a hunch to see what his response will be

My response: :argue:

if that is your sole reason for voting for Ogre, then why didnt you vote for jpap? or even DD, for whom you seem to have a much better reason?

No one can resist voting for Ogre... it's a gift.

LMAO. Are you Italian, Z? Can't remember.

He's cajun, which like French mafia, except they use alligators instead of concrete shoes.

I retract my vote for bkw1982 and vote to lynch rocker92.
I dont like the train that has formed on zaffy even tho I also find him a little fishy. Looking at the votes on him - Rich, voted first- first vote of the game so not too concerned with this (yet); JB, has only had one post which was his voting post....Rocker- third vote on with no real explaination; Wycco- vote that puts Zaffy in the lead. Not sure about Wycco at this point (besides a lone vote on wycco is useless) so I feel better with my vote on rocker right now. this is subject to change when I have more time later today to review the thread again....
oh, btw, I am becoming concerned with the players that have only posted once to vote and then have disappeared; JB, RB, Lucky, Zig and cj. I know it is day one but to place your random vote right out of the gate and then not come back to follow up at all is stinky. JMO and thought it worth mentioning (bob I can exclude you from this for today as you never post much anyway! LOL)

You don't like the train on Zaffy?!?!? What about the train on Luvbug or rocker (that you joined)???

 

[rich311k]

I don't like the train on Zaffy, that was just my first I have to vote, vote. I dont see Zaffy as mafia. I think Rocker or kashta are better suspects. I need to do a little more reading.

 

[mostlycichlids]

What other "suspects" would you like my opinion of? I thought i would re-read the thread more closely and try to gather my own suspects, rather than make opinions about others suspects people have lined up.



No need for a random vote? I thought I had explained my vote was placed because Luvbugz had been purposefully decietful. Nothing random about that. And don't the rules also state the need to vote with your first post? So even if I didn't have something to go on, I think it would be safe to assume I would need to place a random vote, at least in my first post.

Well, with 20 plus pages to read through...you would think that a random vote would be out of the question....not really a lot to go on but I was just curious what decietful things you were referring to? I am not disagreeing with you and you seem very defensive but I am curious why you come and post out of no where close to night with little refrence of your decision is all.

Kashta, DD, jpap, Ogre, MC...

Uh..o.k so I am on your suspect list..or are you saying others have me as a suspect?

I think MC thinks I have him as a suspect. The post he pulled the quote from was directed at Kash and her notion that I should know that MC voted Fire because of last game.

Not necessarily...I just wanted to explain so you understood....actually voting for someone cause of what happened in another game is stupid....which is making me think that my vote on FD might not be as solid as I think

FD and I have done some bickering today and what not but I think I feel Kash is more of a suspect and a better choice for mafia from all her flip flopping and vote changes when she specifically said she is not a vote changer.

I RETRACT MY VOTE ON FIRE DANCER AND VOTE TO LYNCH KASHTA

 

[noodles62]

You don't like the train on Zaffy?!?!? What about the train on Luvbug or rocker (that you joined)???

I understand what you are saying and it is logical; I am just more uncomfortable with the train that formed on Zaffy at this point. There are also trains on Kashta and Bugz; Kashta being a doubled vote from Bugz plus Ice; and the train on Bugz due to her flub and following defense, altho I just dont see a case for either one at this point.

Does that answer your question?

g/o sorry guys I have been doing water changes and trying to put my house back together after going on a flea offensive last night. more in a few......g/o

 

[Zaffy]

Honestly, I haven't been paying attention to Luvbug, I think she dug herself a hole by trying to over-explain the circumstances of her extra vote.

Rocker has 3 votes, 2 that cite a specific voting pattern which has been identified as suspicious. Post #24, early in the game. Frankly, I think it's fairly weak too, but it's something to go on. The fact that he hasn't responded, even though he posted AFTER he was called out on it speaks to that. I changed my vote to him hoping he would come out and explain, but that hasn't happened.

He's called out in post #52.
Quotes the callout post, but avoids the question in #58
Posts again in #61.
Called out again in #63.
Posts again in #74.

Kashta, worries me a bit because she misrepresented Jappys call out of rocker as a call out of Zigman. post #52. I think she's smart enough to not make such a clerical mistake. But anything can happen.

Dangerdoll I feel is digging deep to find what she feels is "dirt," I mean she's really digging.
Posts #145, #154, #162, and finally in #168 where we both agree that this tangent is ridiculous.
I don't think she's particularly scummy from all that, but it's worth noting
additionally I fueled her fire with some poor word choice.

Wycco I think it's suspicious for casting a powerful 4th vote, while the reasoning is better than the first 3, it is pretty weak. A "feeling" without and substance sounds like taking orders to me.

Lastly, The train on me I think it pretty weak. 3 early votes that give zero reason whatsoever, and 1 who's reason is a "feeling" that isn't backed up.

 

[noodles62]

Does that answer your question?

g/o sorry guys I have been doing water changes and trying to put my house back together after going on a flea offensive last night. more in a few......g/o

well, after reading again, I guess I did not answer about the train on
Rocker. I was the third vote on rocker which, I know looks bad, but at the time it was my best option. I was not real comfy with the whole kashta/bugz thing and zaffy also did not see right. If I am wrong, then all I can say is it was my best guess on night one. I have not had the usual amount of play time as I usually do due to RL, but I hope to correct that in the days to come....

 

[jpappy789]

Thats exactly what I was questioning...I could of picked her explanation apart too but I chose not to at that point....she definately seems to be fumbling around though...almost as to not care which innocent she hits first.



I was also wondering the same thing when I read that post...It seems to me you are on a communicating team with your comment of several other people wondering why the votes for you..That may be a dead giveaway for either team but why would you say "several" that has really had me bothered as well sense you posted it...There was clearly only two others.

Right now my top suspects are:
Kashta-she seems to be the one fumbling things around the most....her type of game play is usually not that sloppy...something just not sitting right with me.

Zaffy-because of your comment about several players wondering why votes were cast on you....then siding with others on your logic towards rocker....seems kinda fishy to me.

jpapp-you are being very sarcastic in a lot of your posts and answers which to me is being defensive for no reason or just blowing things off as whatever...not sure if you qualify as a suspect yet but I am definately going to keep an eye on you for now.

FD-you are in agreement with zaffy which bothers me..they seem to be communicating in some way and it seems you are both trying to place blame on DD somehow which bothers me because her game play is pretty much the same as usual for day one in previous games I have played with her....your list has very minimal explanation and reasoning. Also you say you like your vote on Ogre but give no reason for it nor are they in your in you suspect list anywhere....Explain Please?...

That's fine, but I tend to play with that kind of attitude when someone (Ogre) is blowing smoke.

I would like to officially rescind my vote for JPap and switch it to Zaffy.

I just get the feeling there seems to be a co-ordinated movement to rescue Zaffy from being lynched.

If you think that all of Zaffy's teammates (which I assume you think is everyone going after rocker) are trying to save them, then go ahead and believe that...but prepare to be wrong.

Besides playfull bickering between certain people- the main early debate seems to be around whether it is a co-ordinated effort to get Zaffy removed or not- and whether we should vote for Rocker to be removed since he was the vote to put Zaffy ahead of everyone else.

That made me initially think that either Rocker or Zaffy were likely to be a mafia man. The fact that no-one has tried to dissuade anyone from voting for Rocker makes me think he might be innocent... thus makes me lean towards Zaffy.

Don't know for sure... but I'd rather go with my gut than it be a tie and a random generator pick randomly.

It just seems people want us to not vote for Zaffy- and noone cares about Rocker which makes me think he is innocent...

Until re

No one cares about rocker? Um, I'm voting with him as are other people. I tend to put a lot of love and care into who I vote for, thank you very much.

Anyways, it's hard to get any discussion going on him when he's not around either...and the fact that he never addressed his vote for Zaffy when he was posting is downright odd IMO.

Back in the game again. I sure hope Day 2 moves along a little better... Day 1 just drives me nuts. Picking up from where I left off yesterday... my suspect list is still real sketchy. But it's time for us to pin things down the best we can.

Those of you who don't like long posts are really gonna hate this one. But I don't feel like splitting it up into pieces. I'm also not sure how much time I'll have today so I'll place my real vote now.

I revoke my vote against Madcrawdad and vote to lynch Luvbugz.

Any of us could point to a dozen other people with suspicion for one reason or another, but I'm putting my vote on Luvbugz because she's totally lying in this game. This is a basic fact now in Luv's case.. not just suspicion or allegations being raised. It's also been confirmed already by other people who've played with Luvbugz previously in at least 2 other mafia games (one where she was mafia; the other where she was innocent).

For some reason, Luvbugz decided to claim innocence and dimwittedness as her primary defense when there was no reason for her to do this at all. I don't see anybody else lying to us so blantantly in this game (yet) and taking this approach is definitely not necessary if you're an innocent townie.

I don't have anything nearly as strong to go with for other suspects. I've looked back through DD's posts and don't think she's playing an "off" game the way Fire characterized it. That makes me wonder about Fire's role now, so I'll watch that more.

Dawg seems consistent with his previous style of play... he doesn't give us anything to go on, is generally helpful in his posts, but never sticks his neck out.

I think my game always bothers Ice and I don't feel that his vote on me carries real weight. I don't see any mafia "strategy" behind it either to set me up. It's too early in this game for that anyway. There's no need for the mafia to do anything the first day or two.. townpeople usually take each other out instead. I also expect I'd draw Ice's suspicion in any game even when we're both innocent. So I don't see him as a suspect. I am puzzled by Ice's accusation on MC earlier, though. MC switching his vote to FD (because of the previous game where she got him lynched on Day 1) was obvious and IMO didn't need explanation. Ice would have known that too, I believe.. as closely as he follows these games even when he's not playing in them.

Johnlarson seems totally innocent/helpful... straightforward with his answers, like always. But he's truly evil, regardless of role. Oh wait, John's modding this time... nevermind. << saves that for next game >>

Jpappy was the first to give us a vote count.. then 15 minutes later, accused Zigman of (knowingly) placing the 3rd vote on Zaffy. Was Zig deliberately putting Zaffy on top? I doubt many people were already following who had how many votes against them yet at that point. I couldn't have told anyone which players were already in the running yet. Even the mafia was most likely still randomly voting anyone who wasn't on their team.. or voting each other to distance themselves. So Zig was probably not paying that much attention to the placement of his vote. That jpappy made something more of that so fast raises some suspicion in my mind.

I'm always going to wonder about Rich the way he's burned us before. Rich is always something of a sleeper. Participation stays very low key regardless of role... which is treacherous when he's mafia.

So you're telling me that since I actually had a reason (whether you agree with it or not) to vote for someone rather than keep it on pretty much random people it scummy? Wow, I've been playing this game backwards the whole time! Thanks for letting me know Kash.

(Hey MC, here's more sarcasm...how suspicious do I look now?)

Kash, in all seriousness, I looked at how the votes fell and found that rockers placement was too weird to go unnoticed. For some reason, Zaffy was in rockers mind. Some people might not think it is vote worthy, but I do.

I'm fairly sure that either Rocker OR Zaffy is mafia. I hope I'm right. If Zaffy turns out to be Mafia- then we know that those that protected him are likely also Mafia.

If Rocker turns out to be mafia though unfortunately it doesn't mean much about the first two votes against Zaffy because prior to Rocker he wasn't a main contender and Rocker could simply have picked an innocent who looked most likely to get lynched.

Dunno... impossible to tell- gut tells me Zaffy though. That and- effectively it only took one vote to put Zaffy as a leading candidate- it took two three to catch Rocker up to him. (I can't remember if he was already on a vote or not and am too lazy to look back and check).

If Zaffy turns out mafia, then Zaffy is mafia. There is nothing more certain than that! You act as if we're not comfortable with having a teammate in a sticky situation. I'd rather throw someone under the bus then come to their rescue.

I cannot speak for other players but for the second time I voted rocker because of HIS actions, not because Zaffy was somehow in trouble. Not to mention over 2/3 of the town hadn't even voted or even shown up. There was no reason for anyone to save a teammate that early in the day...it's not like Zaffy was bound to be lynched.

 

[jpappy789]

^should be voting FOR him, not with him...