Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

[noodles62]

I started to go back and pull all the posts between wycco and I, and others, regarding the way he seems to be protecting rocker and trying to shift the votes to zaffy, but JP already did that. (whew! thanks!)
I originally suspected both rocker and zaffy for their omgus-i-ness and thought it was lame distancing but the more wycco posted the more it seemed it was a wycco/rocker team. I like where my vote is (wycco) right now.

 

[Wycco]

I started to go back and pull all the posts between wycco and I, and others, regarding the way he seems to be protecting rocker and trying to shift the votes to zaffy, but JP already did that. (whew! thanks!)
I originally suspected both rocker and zaffy for their omgus-i-ness and thought it was lame distancing but the more wycco posted the more it seemed it was a wycco/rocker team. I like where my vote is (wycco) right now.

Go back and reread what JP said... it's an awful lot of quoting but not really any substance- other than us both agreeing that Zaffy and JPap are guilty.

If you've got other evidence show it...


Otherwise you're digging yourself a hole if I get lynched today. If I get lynched- and am found innocent- you noods, JPap, and Zaffy won't last long.

Along with Luvbugs that will make four of you gone early... innocents will win.

How's your history Noods? Are you familiar with General Pyrrhus? You may get an innocent lynched today- but at what cost to the mafia?

 

[Wycco]

I stress again- I may sound redundant but it is for a reason.

If I am lynched today and am found innocent- look at JPappy, Zaffy, and Noodles (and maybe Ice too). I'm fairly sure I will die today- don't let my death be in vain, I want the innocents to win even if I'm dead.

 

[noodles62]

this seems kindy fishy to me (please excuse the pun!) it is like she is talking to the innocents. something doesnt fit right with me.


I vote to lynch noodles62

Wha?!?!?! This makes absolutely no sense.

So Wycco...let me guess...you will be voting Noodles tomorrow morning?

Bet you are right about this one! He's working hard on building his case now....

I wanted to go back and check the Wycco-rocker connection. I copy-pasted back and forth from Word so the font might get screwed up.

Night 1


Here is Wycco’s first post about people supposedly protecting Zaffy.


Again, thinks there is this “movement” to save Zaffy.

Rich calls him out.


So initially Zaffy OR rocker was mafia, but now mainly Zaffy (hence the vote) and rocker might be innocent. Note that there was no such “debate”…wycco was pretty much the only one who thought that Zaffy was being saved.


Then Zaffy OR rocker as mafia. Gut still says Zaf though.

Now to night 2


Rocker votes Zaffy for the first post. Again no reason and no response to why he didn't answer the question about his first vote earlier.


Again, Zaffy OR rocker are mafia, but probably Zaf. Somehow Luv is added to the mix, as well as a few other lower suspects.


Wait…where did rocker go? Zaffy-Jpap-Luv are top three but no mention of him. And now plant is added to the mix?


Right after that rocker comes out with the exact same list as wycco's top 3!

Noods says that wycco might be coached.


Rocker sort of agrees, but no elaboration

Zaffy asks Wycco to explain the choices…


Wycco’s response shows that it all stems from the supposed protection of Zaffy. Remember before that Wycco still thought that there was a possibility that rocker was the guilty one of the two. Now it is elevated to not only was Zaffy a mafia member that was protected, but he names people who "came to his rescue." Basically anyone who might have disagreed with Wycco's reasoning. Also says he named Luv because I took her side…I believe I asked for wycco to point that out but he never did. Very interesting that Luv’s earlier posts were not mentioned as a reason, as in the ones that everyone else thought were suspicious. Looks as if Wycco only suspects Luv because of some sort of protection on me and zaffy’s part.


Rather than going with his gut, rocker votes randomly. A good possibility that he was told a second night’s vote on zaffy for no solid reason looked to suspicious. Remember though that he said me and Zaffy were mafia to him.

States that he might switch to Luv. (entire post directed at noods btw)



Noods responds


Wycco says that rocker said he was suspicious of him. I’ve yet to find that post other than the one where he half-heartedly agreed with noodles. Not exactly full blown suspicion…

Even more importantly, look at his reasoning for…”I'm not protecting Rocker as much as I am accusing Zaffy” How would that same reasoning not work for the opposite? Wyccos whole suspicion of Zaffy is based on people rescuing him, yet it had nothing to do with Zaffy, but rocker.s vote


Still sure about the three and again he might switch votes to her because he can’t get me or Zaf lynched.


Still suspicious of the same three people, might switch but now is less suspicious of Luv because of how many votes she had...


Wait a minute…how did rocker end up there???



LOL…just thought this was ironic.


Luv posts about maybe switching to Wycco. I see some possible distancing here as Luv was almost a sure fire goner coupled with Wycco naming Luv but not wanting to switch.

Rocker votes me. Funny that he claims people should vote for their top suspect yet threw out the vote on Zaffy (his top suspect) and switched to jen just to be random. Hypocritical and scumtastic.

Couple more on me within a short time.

Wycco finally switches, to me though.

MC’s post to Wycco about the whole UD thing…

Rocker feels the need to step in and defend Wycco/attack Mc


Here rocker agrees with Wycco’s reasoning about the UDs.


I question wycco for jumping on me.


Wycco says me and Zaf are top 2 for him but I’m more likely to get lynched. Only problem I see is why not seal the deal on Luv? There had to have been a lot of switching or new votes for me to be put on top so Wycco using his vote as a backup make no sense.



I also think it is worth considering that he knew rocker would switch to me, thus he would have an excuse to not vote Luv by putting me in second place...either way his reason for not voting Luv and me instead is weak.


Lastly, Night 3


Noods votes for wycco…


Rocker votes noods for no understandable reason other than something doesn’t sit right. Interestingly enough, it’s not a vote for Zaffy or me. Seems too much like an OMGUS vote for his teammate instead.


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I think the wycco-rocker connection is pretty clear. Wycco fumbled around with rockers name as a suspect for a while at first calling him most likely innocent, next maybe mafia, then not even mentioning him, and finally back on the list but lower than other people. Wycco’s posts also show an unwillingness to vote Luv, even though he said he would possibly switch there. Instead, he lowered her to a second tier suspect and voted for me. Reasoning: so I would stay in second. Lastly, you can see rocker not do much other than throw random votes despite having suspects and pop in to subtly help wycco.

I’m comfortable with my vote on Wycco right now but would be willing to vote rocker instead.

Btw, just noticed that smilies don't transfer over completely from quoted text so that is why there are none...

I know this is long but it has some very good points and wycco has asked us to go back and read it. I agree with it completely and it has moved JP down on my list of suspects....(not off, but down!)

LOL... Didn't I say yesterday the Mafia would try and get me lynched... they wouldn't take me out at night because they didn't want to point fingers at themselves.


I've said since early on- the three most likely Mafia are:
Zaffy, JPap, and LuvBugs.

I also heavily suspect Noodles. Now Ice since he started the chain against me with no reasoning other than "he doesn't sit right". He did however yesterday point fingers at a lot of Mafia members.


Since it is likely I am to be lynched today since there is a coordinated effort to get me on as a list of suspects even though I wasn't yesterday.


IF I AM LYNCHED- REMEMBER- THESE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY- since I don't think I have control over my last words:

MAFIA:
ZAFFY
JPAP
NOODLES

Possibly:
MC
Rich
Rocker

Seriously... when I am found innocent- remember that I have been very outspoken and pointed to quite a number of these people since the beginning.

You think I'm guilty because I've been campaigning actively against JPap, Zaffy and LuvBugs.

Well, you've seen one of them as guilty. JPap's been leading the charge against me. If I am lynched today. LEARN FROM IT- get Pappy next. (sorry Paps nothing personal- beside you're Mafia scum! )

Noodles too- no-one has really looked at her- but go back to who she has been pointing fingers at. She started pointing fingers at me when I identified Zaffy, JPap and Luvbugs.


I VOTE TO LYNCH JPAP.


Ogre... you do me wrong... you're a fellow innocent you shouldn't be voting for me!

Desperate pleas.....note the part I bolded; I dont think the mafia is getting you oynched, you did a fine job of that all by yourself.

I wanted to pick this apart- I also heavily suspect Noodles. Now Ice since he started the chain against me with no reasoning other than "he doesn't sit right". A bit OMGUS-y dontcha think? He did however yesterday point fingers at a lot of Mafia members - You mean the players YOU say are mafia? You seem awfully certain of others roles....hhhhmmm.

The whole basis of the game if mafia is to act like you are innocent. So no matter which side she is playing she would want to look like she is talking to the innocents.


This post plus the case Jpap built against you and Wycco seals the deal.

Someone would have to be stupid or mafia not to vote one of the two of you guys.

ditto!

I'd encourage everyone to go back and re-read JPaps case against me... no really read it.

This whole- me and Rocker are in cahoots thing stems to mainly three items:

1) I noticed how he was defending both Zaffy and LuvBugs by trying to shift the blame onto Kashta and Rocker... so therefore I must be in cahoots with Rocker.

- oh so I must be with Kashta too huh! Good job we lynched her.

2) Rocker agreed with me that it would be a good idea if the narrator contacted everyone on the UD list to level the playing field since the mafia would be able to contact UD.

3) We have similar suspicions lists. LuvBugs, Pappy, Zaffy. Well that makes perfectly good sense- everyone suspected Luvbugz- and I suspected Pappy for his connection trying to defend both Bugz and Zaffy. Rocker, would also likely suspect Pappy and Zaffy for the same thing since he was connected with it.

That's a very weak connection. Re-read his post do you see anything more?


Also- note Pappy wants the race to be between me and Rocker. As an innocent why would this make sense.


If I am lynched today- as indeed I am by far the favourite to be lynched at this moment- and I am found to be mafia- by all means Rocker should be your next target because as weak as the links are.



I'm OK with being lynched at the end of the day- in part because I'm going to be busy as all heck this weekend- so I don't have to worry with following up on this.


BUT- please don't let me die in vain. Learn something from my death.


If I am guilty and mafia, then yes, you should seriously look at both Rocker and Ogre- because people seem to think I am taking orders from them. (which I personally think is hillarious).


If I am lynched and found to be innocent- please note that everything I have said has been true. (including this prediction that I will be lynched)

I didn't think Kash was guilty. I thought LuvBugs was guilty. I thought I would be a target by the mafia today for lynching. I think I've bizarrely figured it out- and know why I'm being targeted.


Few people have Noodles as a suspect. If I am lynched and found innocent- learn from this. Noodles was the first one to try to cast suspicion on me after I identified my "axis of evil" as Zaffy, JPap, and LuvBugz.

At that point her only thing was "he sounds coached"- as if the game is so complicated you can't add 1+1 together.

I would not be surprised if Noodles turns out to be the don actually. She seems to step so gingerly- and yes she did vote for Luvbugz- but not until it was obvious she was going down anyway. Obviously no way of knowing- just a gut feeling. She's trying overly hard to sound non-commital whilst seemingly in line with the JPap/Zaffy/LuvBugz mafia group.

Noodles isn't on most people's radars- but when I am lynched at the end of the day and you find out that I am innocent- you should start questioning why she seemed to be so sure of me so early on after I identified three targets just because "I didn't seem like a beginner".


Just don't let my death be in vain. I'm telling you: JPAP, NOODLES, ZAFFY.


I'm not sure why Ice so quickly after day break started the train against me- but after I am lynched and found innocent questions should be asked... is he with the mafia too or just made a bad guess... dunno.


Just don't let my death be in vain.

Very dramatic! In response to the bold red text -1. My suspicions of you were more than just you seem to be being coached - refer to earlier posts! 2. "trying overly hard to sound non commital"?! Are you kidding? I have been very committed to my votes yesterday and now today.....sorry if the first day I was less certain. :screwy:
and BTW I do not agree with you "JPap,Zaffy, Luv" mafia groupd with the exception of Luv....so of course I am not in line with your way of thinking - I think you are scum!

My updated list (what got the mafia to try and lynch me today to begin with)

And yes it has changed... as I learn new things.
:

Almost Certainly Mafia:
Jpap, Zaffy

Most likely Mafia:
Noodles

Likely Mafia:
Ice, MC

Possibly Mafia:
Rocker

Unlikely Mafia:
Firedancer, dangerdoll, Ogre.

Go back and reread what JP said... it's an awful lot of quoting but not really any substance- other than us both agreeing that Zaffy and JPap are guilty.

If you've got other evidence show it...


Otherwise you're digging yourself a hole if I get lynched today. If I get lynched- and am found innocent- you noods, JPap, and Zaffy won't last long.

Along with Luvbugs that will make four of you gone early... innocents will win.

How's your history Noods? Are you familiar with General Pyrrhus? You may get an innocent lynched today- but at what cost to the mafia?

It is you who has dug the hole.....no time for a history lesson; I am at work and need to get busy.........TTFN

 

[Wycco]

Ahhhh Noodles... Sorry, but the innocents will win.

Mark my words- when I am found innocent at the end of the day (I'm not making pleas- I'm 95% certain I'll be lynched today)- you will be on people's suspect lists.


You are linked to Pappy and Luvbugz. Pappy is linked to you, Luvbugz and Zaffy.


I don't know if ICE is mafia or not to be honest... I do think it suspicious he started the chain against me with almost no rationelle behind it after saying he was interested in going after Pappy yesterday.

Bizarre how I suddenly became a target. It could be something triggered him to think I was mafia.

One things for sure noodles.


I go down at days end- it's likely game up for you and Paps... Zaffy may be safe because he's staying quiet- but I think with his connection to Paps once Paps is taken out he will be at risk.

 

[noodles62]

Ahhhh Noodles... Sorry, but the innocents will win.

Mark my words- when I am found innocent at the end of the day (I'm not making pleas- I'm 95% certain I'll be lynched today)- you will be on people's suspect lists.


You are linked to Pappy and Luvbugz. Pappy is linked to you, Luvbugz and Zaffy.


I don't know if ICE is mafia or not to be honest... I do think it suspicious he started the chain against me with almost no rationelle behind it after saying he was interested in going after Pappy yesterday.

Bizarre how I suddenly became a target. It could be something triggered him to think I was mafia.

One things for sure noodles.


I go down at days end- it's likely game up for you and Paps... Zaffy may be safe because he's staying quiet- but I think with his connection to Paps once Paps is taken out he will be at risk.

We shall see at the end of the day. If you do turn up innocent and I go into the hot seat - it wont be the first time.....I will worry about that if and when the time comes......:thumbsup:

 

[OgreMkV]

Wycco, why on Earth do you declare that if you are found mafia, then I must be coaching you, yet you have me on the probably not mafia list?

Sorry, but you're toast.

More and more I'm thinking Jpap innocent and that the mafia saw an opportunity to get him killed by me. I really wish I knew Jpap's role. It's the one thing that's making me very nervous.

If the mafia have 7 or 8 actual playing people, then they could afford to sacrifice a few and have one of their own look pure as driven snow.

My mafia list:
Wycco
rocker (of course, I'm taking the rocker thing almost purely on Jpap's excellent analysis)
mostlychiclids

high consideration
TRS
Fire (yes, that's new, something about her posts just don't sit well...)

 

[Wycco]

We shall see at the end of the day. If you do turn up innocent and I go into the hot seat - it wont be the first time.....I will worry about that if and when the time comes......:thumbsup:

Oh, I think it's definate I'm being lynched end of day... Especially since I've kind of forced the issue to the point that you, Pappy, and ICE would look bad to change now- I know I've got three votes against me minimum now!

Plus Ogre thinks I'm guilty because I said he was innocent- actually I think he's more worried that that statement makes him look like mafia!






BTW- peace to everyone- I hope I'm not upsetting anyone with my "tirades" I'm doing it with a big smile on my face and it certainly isn't personal... I know it's hard to tell tone over the internet- I'm enjoying myself and hope I'm not stressing anyone who is interpreting me incorrectly!

 

[Wycco]

Ogre, If I'm guilty- you and Rocker HAVE to be suspects- because supposedly the two of you have been coaching me all along and I've been protecting you!


Relax- I'm going to die- but I'm innocent- so that should smile favourably on both of you.


If your rationale behind Pappy being innocent is based on me being guilty- then does that mean you will agree Pappy (again sorry for targeting you Paps) is very likely guilty if I am innocent.

 

[noodles62]

Oh, I think it's definate I'm being lynched end of day... Especially since I've kind of forced the issue to the point that you, Pappy, and ICE would look bad to change now- I know I've got three votes against me minimum now!

Plus Ogre thinks I'm guilty because I said he was innocent- actually I think he's more worried that that statement makes him look like mafia!






BTW- peace to everyone- I hope I'm not upsetting anyone with my "tirades" I'm doing it with a big smile on my face and it certainly isn't personal... I know it's hard to tell tone over the internet- I'm enjoying myself and hope I'm not stressing anyone who is interpreting me incorrectly!

uummm, you have 5 votes on you, unless my records are wrong....