Mafia 55...Badlands Twisted...the Play...

[Wycco]

I am curious about the late co-ordination against me- none of which really make much sense.

1) ZSand is voting for me for defamation of his character- whereas the only thing I've said about him is that he is usually quiet- as indeed he has been in every game I've played with him.

2) Kashta is voting for me because she believes Noodles to be guilty and I've been "protecting Noodles". Again, doesn't make any sense. If I'm guilty only because I'm protecting Noodles who you believe is guilty- why the vote on me? Wouldn't a vote on Noodles make more sense?

3) John L is voting for me based on the LuvBugs connection that he admits now was a fallacy.


All well and good- but I think it's important to note, should I end up getting the lynch- what three people voted against me right at the end of the day- and what their reasoning (or lack thereof was). I'm leaning more ZSand guilty than innocent now- although I still think JL is the better candidate.

 

[Wycco]

I don't know which side you're on, Noods. But I think even you would acknowledge that leaning you in a "neutral-to slightly suspicious" category would be reasonable. Wycco, on the other hand, is calling you pure innocent... without hegding or waffling.

I haven't said Noodles is innocent- I said she is leaning innocent- which is what I believe- the only case against Noodles is that she has changed vote several times which is very forgivable on the first few days given the lack of any serious knowledge- she didn't do any last minute vote flipping- and there isn't really any evidence against her.

I certainly haven't called her pure innocent- anything but- just there is no evidence against her yet.

 

[johnlarson66]

A partial quote from Wycco -

1) I voted for you - as far as I know you are not a known innocent.
2) I did not make "a lot to do" out of the whole Bubb2 posting. I think it was odd that Buub2 partially posted a quote from you towards Luv. I also did not like the fact that Luv did not explain who Bubb2 was, but you did.
3) Becuase I had the most to gain by taking Ogre out, I would not have taken him out.
4) I have admitted to skimming in the past. I am a known skimmer. I do not know where I have skimmed this game or "deliberately ignoring facts". This is a total fabrication. I mentioned skimming in reference to jpap and dawg.
5) I have not paniced under the pressure of votes. As a matter of fact, it has been the exact opposite. I can handle having a few votes.

Wyyco, you seem to be trying real hard to build a case on me. I think you are just going to have to hit me. I doubt if the town will take me out for you.

Wycco, here is why I have you as evil. Even though I switched my vote off of you and onto ZS after this post, you are my top suspect. This has nothing to do with Luv or her father, but everything to do with your actions.

At this point I really don't have many leaning innocent. Maybe MC, and I think he is voting for me.

Whatever happens, this should be an interesting nightfall.

 

[johnlarson66]

I haven't said Noodles is innocent- I said she is leaning innocent- which is what I believe- the only case against Noodles is that she has changed vote several times which is very forgivable on the first few days given the lack of any serious knowledge- she didn't do any last minute vote flipping- and there isn't really any evidence against her.

I certainly haven't called her pure innocent- anything but- just there is no evidence against her yet.

So if you come up evil, should we suspect noods?

 

[noodles62]

checking in before I fix dinner.....I would happily vote for Wycco, but then if he turns up evil it will look like I moved just to blend in...darned if I do, darned if I dont....I think if Wycco does go and comes up innocent then I will look at Kashta pretty good. I just have a hunch she is evil this go 'round....I also think either DD or LG are scum....odds are good for at least one and I do not trust either of them...sorry girls!

and just what do you mean that it will only take a few votes to make me crack, JL?!! :silly:

 

[jpappy789]

I dont find my late vote switch odd when I already knew I did not want to keep my vote on Rich (useless/random) and yes, I thought my vote move to Wycco gave us 3 players with 2 votes. Ogre's moving back and forth confused me at the end and I mis-stated that ther were 4 players with 2 votes. If getting confused is lynching reason, then go for it. I think it would be pretty lame but that IMO......

As for Wycco, I still think sometihng is up with him and could easily move my vote to him; but then I would have 6 votes in two days. *gasp* Goodness gracious, I am not sure by day two who is scum or not! Are you so sure?

LOL, noods you're always confused about something but you can't possibly be mafia every time...its not just because of that. You've done something similar in the past and were a scumbag, which is why I mentioned it.

You're getting awfully defensive just because I brought you name to the surface. You had ONE vote and other players were more likely to be lynched (see below). I find it highly suspicious that you're afraid of changing votes just because people have talked about how many times you've already changed. Seriously, why so afraid to be in the spotlight?

Now, I said I was ignoring the banter between you and LG but I decided to look back. I'm curious as to specifically why you voted Lady G in the first place. You said her posts "struck you" and "seem phony" yet nothing other than that. I remember LG doing the exact same thing to me when she last played and she ended up on the evil team I believe. Its not just a feeling, otherwise you would have said just that, its something in her posts but no quotes or specific references. Suddenly LG became your next suspect (after MC) but I see no actual reasons, just a bunch of fluff. Its a nice mafia tactic because you dont have to dig deep into any posts and simply make up something about feeling bad about some posts (which sounds a lot better than only saying you have a gut feel) without any specifics.

Day 1:
Nood: Wy
Rich: Nood
Pappy: Kash Rock
Luv: Rich Ogre MC Ogre
Wy: Luv JL Nood
JL: Ogre Dawg Luv Ogre
LG: JL MC
DD: Pappy
Z: DD LG
Rock: LG
Kash: Ann
Ann: Z
MC: Pappy
Ogre: Kash
(I bolded the names of our known Innocents for emphasis.)
Based on these votes JL certainly looks bad having drawn votes from both known Innocents, and Kashta looks more likely to be innocent. Why would she vote so late in the Day on the person the ES were going to test?

Day 2:
MC: Nood Wy Pappy LG DD Rich Z Ann
Dawg: LG Rocker
LG: MC Noods
Wy: JL
JL: Ann Kash MC Wy
Z: Pappy Nood JL
Nood: LG
Ann: Z
Dawg lost his vote

I personally dont think Kash is very suspicious but still dont think it clears her. For all we know Ogre could have been a last minute switch for the hit. And if you read Kashtas post when she voted her choices were DD and Ogre, neither would have made a difference so she could have just randomly thrown her vote on Ogre knowing it was a waste. I dont see why her voting Ogre clears her in any way.

I have stated that I was suprised that Luv came up innocent. I also stated that I would be willing to switch to Luv on day one. I didn't, but I would have if I was around at nightfall.

I have no problem owning that. I don't feel as if I led the charge against Luv, if anything she was very aggressive to me and my vote change to Wyyco (which was due to the post by Bubb2). I have done my best to explain my thinking on the whole Bubb2 post and no one seems to get it. I don't think I made a big deal about it. Luv could have cleared it up when she responded to it, but instead posted something about a water hose. Luv came at me guns blazing about my vote switch to Wycco.

I am used to playing "leaning mafia" and any of this defensive and panic BS needs to be addressed.

My concern was how you thought Bubb was Wycco at first. It made no sense, but you sort of explained it even though I still dont see why that first came to thought.

Luv was obviously worked up that you used her dad to connect her to Wycco, which I think is why she reacted to the vote that way.

Btw, I'm not going to leave my vote on Z especially when it has his still in the running but I dont like any of the other top suspects (MC, JL, Wycco). I'm still not sure on the JL-Wy issue so I don't want to make a wrong choice between them. Kashta has definitely made some good points about him though.

I retract my vote on Zs and vote to genetically test Noods

So now its

MC: Nood Wy Pappy LG DD Rich Z Ann
Dawg: LG Rocker
LG: MC Noods
Wy: JL Kash Z JL
JL: Ann Kash MC Wy
Z: Pappy Nood JL
Nood: LG Pappy
Ann: Z
Dawg lost his vote

I think...unless more votes come in before I post...

Only problem is we have absolutely no idea where Dawgs vote will end up. Noods, MC, Wycco, and JL are all possible lynch victims at this point depending on who the lab worker is...I dont think RB will give us any indication either...

 

[Wycco]

So if you come up evil, should we suspect noods?

First off- I highly doubt I'll get voted off- there is no case against me and I can't see many innocents fallign for the trick. It's much more likely you or ZSand will get voted off for this late vote manipulation with Kashta- there is actually evidence against you. Which is why I built a case against you.

Second off- were I to come back guilty (which I wouldn't because I'm innocent) I see no reason to go after Noods because there is nothing linking me to her.

On that same thread that Kash quoted about me saying I have Noodles Leaning Innocent- I said the same about JPap - said I saw nothing incriminating against, Kash, ZSand, or Dawg. I'm not sure where the Noodles connection comes from.

 

[jpappy789]

checking in before I fix dinner.....I would happily vote for Wycco, but then if he turns up evil it will look like I moved just to blend in...darned if I do, darned if I dont....I think if Wycco does go and comes up innocent then I will look at Kashta pretty good. I just have a hunch she is evil this go 'round....I also think either DD or LG are scum....odds are good for at least one and I do not trust either of them...sorry girls!

and just what do you mean that it will only take a few votes to make me crack, JL?!! :silly:

So now that votes pile on Wycco, you say you cant switch because either way you would look bad. More lame excuses...

Wycco is no where near to being a done deal for tonight. We have no clue what the actual vote count is (thanks Dawg) and theres almost 2 hours left before night.

Your hesitation is quite telling Noods...really, why are you not able to switch to Wycco, because it would put a teammate really in the lead or because you dont want to lynch an innocent?

 

[johnlarson66]

jpap,

Bubb2 was responding to Luv's vote on Wycco. Read the post by Bubb2, who has 0 posts. It looked to me like Wycco was playing on a different account (which has happened before).

That is how I saw it at the time. Also Luv posted right after it and mentioned something about a hose, but never said anything about Bubb2 being her father. It was not until after people asked. I think you were one of the people that asked. Who did you think Bubb2 was or could be?

I was wrong about Wycco being Bubb2. I did not make a big deal about it. I have posted more about it after Luv was tested than I did on Day 1. I did think Luv's response to my vote switch on Wycco was over the top. Maybe it is because Bubb2 is her Dad and she did not want Wycco to die because of her Dad posted on the thread. I have no idea why Luv made a big deal about my vote switch.

I am still not making a big deal about the Bubb2 post, but find that people are going back to it - without any cause.

 

[rich311k]

This getting interesting. I see the case against WY, and JL is Jl so always a worry. I need to read all this again and rethink all of this.

Noods you are acting pretty squirrelly all of a sudden.

I dont entirely see the the Z thing I need to look at that again.

lady g I am not sure of.

Pap seems to be helpful.

Bad time for my eyes to act up. I will be squinting at this for a while.