Mafia 55...Badlands Twisted...the Play...

[ZSandmann]

The strongest "feeling" I'm getting so far today is with Wycco and Noodles. So I'll have to count them as my main suspects at this point. I just keep changing my mind about both of them. Not sure yet which of the two I'm going to vote for.... more on this later. (I've pulled a quote already from Wycco that talk more about in my next post.)

My early vote went to JL but I'm not seeing (or feeling) anything real suspicious about him. What bothered me a little about JL yesterday was the way he said he'd switch his vote to Bugz but then didn't do it. That's a handy little trick (for lack of a better word) that I've seen him use before where others will pick up on suspicion for someone and votes start going that way... while he isn't blamed for it later because he never actually voted the person himself. The problem with this is, John's done the same thing before when he's innocent. So for him, it's not a reliable scum-tell, even when it should be.

I don't like the train I'm seeing on MC. For my money, I'm thinking at least 1 of the 4 names voting him are probably evil... DD, Rich, Zsand, or Annie. Of those, I'm probably least suspicious of Zsand... so far. So as secondary suspects for me (behind Wycco/Noods), I'm leaning DD, Rich, and Annie as more evil than neutral.

I also see a lot of votes on JL right now... mine isn't and wasn't one meant to stay there (as stated when I posted it) and I'm not real suspicious about MC. But again... Wycco's vote there looks more strategically important if he's evil, which is a main factor I'm picking up on today.

I retract my vote on Johnlarson and vote to genetically test Wycco.

This vote may stay where it is or I might change it to Noodles. (I'm still working on that decision between them.)

Well good because I've already retracted Also, you messed up my pretty list. Double I kind of like JL as a suspect if only because both Ogre and Luv voted for him on Day 1.

 

[johnlarson66]

I have stated that I was suprised that Luv came up innocent. I also stated that I would be willing to switch to Luv on day one. I didn't, but I would have if I was around at nightfall.

I have no problem owning that. I don't feel as if I led the charge against Luv, if anything she was very aggressive to me and my vote change to Wyyco (which was due to the post by Bubb2). I have done my best to explain my thinking on the whole Bubb2 post and no one seems to get it. I don't think I made a big deal about it. Luv could have cleared it up when she responded to it, but instead posted something about a water hose. Luv came at me guns blazing about my vote switch to Wycco.

I am used to playing "leaning mafia" and any of this defensive and panic BS needs to be addressed.

 

[ZSandmann]

Meh I retract my vote for Annie and vote to genetically test Wycco.

I don't like the way he was pecking at my character while I was AWOL.

 

[johnlarson66]

Well good because I've already retracted Also, you messed up my pretty list. Double I kind of like JL as a suspect if only because both Ogre and Luv voted for him on Day 1.

Ogre retracted his first vote when there was a chance that I might get lynched. I feel he switched on me and then off of me as a way to get someone to jump. I also feel that day two Ogre would not have had me as a top suspect. He would have had me as a suspect, but I think he would have others above me. I posted this earlier.

I kinda like me as a suspect also, just not the top suspect.

 

[johnlarson66]

I am more than happy to see Wycco tested.

I retract my vote for ZSandmann and vote to genetically test Wycco.

 

[Kashta]

I'll start now with this post from Wycco. I'll have to go back and look at some previous posts from him as well.. this just got my attention.

These quotes are all from the same post, but I've split them up to talk about different parts of them.

We really need to drum up more talk. I don't believe silence is going to help the town. It's early days yet- so don't take my list as hard and fast belief- just a few observations. It's hard to draw up lists so early on- but I really believe we need to get the commentary moving if we're to get hints on who is guilty.

wyc: The only person I can say with 100% certainty at this point is innocent.

lady G: Hard to tell- she hasn't done much suspicious- although with half a day left switching votes from one of the three main contenders to a non-contender is a little suspicious. (even if she raises a good point). I still lean her as innocent although that Noodles vote looks odd to me.

I felt suspicious of the way Noods was voting all over the place but then was quick to pull her vote away. As I read further, I saw Lady G post quite a lot about this herself. I guess this puts me in agreement then with Lady G for the time being. Anyway to then read Wycco's statement here that he doesn't get Ladys G's vote on Noods seems like a very careful defense of a teammate.... (to me). Then, of course, both Wycco and Noods voted each other the first night... a good distancing move for both of them if they are working together as evils.

DD: I've not really formed an opinion on DD yet. Need to watch her a little to form an opinion. Not having any experience with her (other than her getting axed first day last game) I don't know what is normal.

rich: Rich is one of the quieter players- so you always have to keep an eye out for him- not on my radar yet.

zsnd: Many people point out ZSands quietness this game- it is concerning- but he's been quiet in the 2 games I've played so I don't know how to take it. To me he's a bit of an unknown. I don't fully think he deserves to be one of the three main targets this round- but it would be nice to know one way or another if he is guilty or not.

ann: Another quiet one so another one you have to always be concerned about. One thing I will say- when she got turned by the vampires last game she went from quiet to talkative in a heart-beat. So maybe we should be glad she's quiet this game.

Wycco... this statement in red is not true. Annie was highly vocal and quite aggressive in that game LONG before she was turned by the vampires. You were extremely well focused, highly active, and very involved in that game as an innocent PR (the Seer). So how on earth would you characterize Annie's participation there so minimally now unless it's (again) a careful attempt at protecting her here?

Before I ended up on the Vamp team... they'd been already watching her with the idea she was likely to be in a PR role. If fact, she had been acting that way on purpose hoping they'd think she was the doctor because she wanted to get turned.

dawg: I haven't really formed an opinion on Dawg yet. A couple of people have expressed suspicion of him so maybe I should. For now I see nothing incriminating.

rocker: Add to the quiet so hard to read category- those quiet type need to be watched.

jl66: JohnL to me is the most likely of all to be guilty. As I explained in an earlier post- there seems to be a lot of evidence building against him.

Not that much here except Wycco suggesting JL is evil.

kash: Kash has said nothing that implies guilt- but normally miss talkative has been very quiet. I remember in a conversation with her once that she believed those that talk most are more likely guilty- I wonder if she's reversing that philosophy to make herself appear innocent. Not working- when you change your style that much it makes you suspect. Other than that- I see nothing to link Kash to being evil- just have to watch closely what little she does say.

I know the comments you're referring to here, but you didn't quite get them right. There were two things I've said.. one being that mafia players are more likely to be active in the thread because they're more interested and have something to do/say. I've also commented that active players are more likely to get voted because people overlook inactive players.. generally.

Neither of these is the same as saying those who "talk the most are more likely guilty." If THAT were true, then Noodles, Johnlarson, and Ice would have to be evil in nearly every game they play.

mostly: I'm leaning guilty for Mostly Cichlids- but I'm not quite as sure as before. The late vote to break the balance and tip Bugz to be dead is a minor cause of worry. To me more incriminating was his statement that if he votes for JohnL he must be innocent. (not a paraphrase but that's what he was getting at). I think in his attempt to distance himself from JohnL he has linked the two of them together more.

Again here, I see that Wycco is making statements that are in opposition to the impression I'm getting of the same people he's referring to. This leads me to believe that Wycco and I aren't on the same side in this game.

jpap: JPap strikes me as leaning innocent at this point. But JPap worries me- I was certain prior to him being lynched he was innocent last game. He's a slippery fish. Still at this point I see him leaning innocent.

noodles: I have Noodles as leaning innocent at this point too. As Lady G pointed out- she has flip-flopped a bit- but on day 2 to flip-flop is easily forgiven- none of us can really be sure of anything.

So those are my thoughts for now- I can still be convinced I'm wrong on any of those points- it's too early to know who is guilty for sure- but I'm just throwing it out there to drum up more conversation and get the town talking. If we stay quiet the town will likely lose. We can't afford to vote randomly each day based on nothing.

Here, Wycco is defending Noods again. This doesn't fit with someone who may not suspect her but who'd at least count Noods as possible evil because her position has changed so much. But this "leaning innocent" is actually leaning her a LOT innocent... which is the tip-off for me that they're connected. Wycco isn't suspicious or wary of Noods at all? I think Wycco is a savvy enough player based on what I've seen in his two other games that he wouldn't be so eager to "clear" suspicion against Noodles unless he had a reason to do so.

 

[noodles62]

Whoa! nice try Kashta, but Wycco and I are in no way connected.....

I need to review a bit but I am in the middle of water changes so will have to get back to it after that and dinner.......Something definitely smells fishy in Denmark....

 

[johnlarson66]

If noods is evil, it will only take a few votes on her for her to crack.

I would like to see Wycco tested and go from there.

If Wycco comes up evil, then I can see a case for noods based on what Kash posted.

If Wycco comes up innocent, then I think I am going to have bigger things to worry about than what noods is.

This is all based on the assumption that Wycco gets tested. I am still expecting some sort of late run on me. Besides Wycco, I wonder who will lead the charge.

 

[Kashta]

Whoa! nice try Kashta, but Wycco and I are in no way connected.....

I need to review a bit but I am in the middle of water changes so will have to get back to it after that and dinner.......Something definitely smells fishy in Denmark....

I don't know which side you're on, Noods. But I think even you would acknowledge that leaning you in a "neutral-to slightly suspicious" category would be reasonable. Wycco, on the other hand, is calling you pure innocent... without hegding or waffling. Whether you're innocent or evil, it just doesn't feel right.

You've also just said a few posts back that you're thinking about voting Wycco.. but negated that possibility right away because it'd be a 6th vote change for you. If you ARE working together, that fits well with saying one thing to distance yourselves without actually voting against someone you don't to see get tested.

 

[johnlarson66]

I am not sure what the record is for vote switches in one day. I do know that I was all over the place on a day one vote. I might have switched 6 times in one day.