Disprove Global Warming!!!

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The earth has been alot hotter at various times in its history than it currently is, before humans appeared. The earth has been alot cooler as well.The fact that climate swings both ways is not disputed by anyone. Looking at climate change in a period as short as recorded human history , let alone the course of a single human life isn't very telling of anything. It's a political agenda driven by people who deep down really hate people and what they've done to the planet. Yet they won't do the single thing that would most help to stop it if it is driven by human activity. Stop breeding! Your carbon footprint includes all of your progeny and their carbon footprints as well.
 
I still get cold in the winter. Global Warming Disproved.
 
I would like to Pose a question.
I do not beleive in AGW, nor do i beleive that man can fathom having such an impact on something so incredibly large as the earth. but assuming for a second that we did have that sort of power, and also assuming that humans were in fact causing the temperature of the atmosphere to rise, is that a bad thing? Historical documentation shows that life flourished in the warmer periods of the earth, and that plant life grew as an accelerated rate. now im not to trusting of ANY science older than 1000 Yrs none-the-less pre-dating mankind, but if this is the case, what is so bad? if a couple of degrees melts all of the snow/glaciers, then the farm land will still flourish, northern countries(most of Europe) will become more firtile with longer growing seasons, and no more deserts will be created as a few degrees will not dry out water. Vikings traditionally were from northern England and scotland. They are documented to have been growing grapes.
 
A 1-2 degree (permanent AVERAGE change) will cause about a 6 meter rise (that's almost 20 feet).

More than 70 percent of the world's population lives on coastal plains, and 11 of the world's 15 largest cities are on the coast or estuaries.

Think of where the entire populations of New York, Miami, LA, San Fran(?), Houston, New Orleans, Corpus Christi, Boston would live?

Find a good map with contour lines (20 foot ones). Color everything between the 20 foot line and the ocean (as it is now) blue. That's what would be flooded in a 20 foot rise. Greenpeace (so take it with a grain of salt) estimates that preventing flooding would cost $156 billion.
 
OgreMkV said:
A 1-2 degree (permanent AVERAGE change) will cause about a 6 meter rise (that's almost 20 feet).

More than 70 percent of the world's population lives on coastal plains, and 11 of the world's 15 largest cities are on the coast or estuaries.

Think of where the entire populations of New York, Miami, LA, San Fran(?), Houston, New Orleans, Corpus Christi, Boston would live?

Find a good map with contour lines (20 foot ones). Color everything between the 20 foot line and the ocean (as it is now) blue. That's what would be flooded in a 20 foot rise. Greenpeace (so take it with a grain of salt) estimates that preventing flooding would cost $156 billion.
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As salty as the ocean. i would NEVER quote greenpeace. besides, AGW is suppossed to occure over DECADES! i beleive that is plenty of time to gradually move/prepare for a slowley rising sea level. we'll just hire Holland to do the work!

I guess im forced to use those pesky facts and all so here goes. I will only submit small articles of information to allow for the proper research and debate to take place.

Below if a graph of Global Temps vs CO2 ppm. since AGW has only been a hot topic(an apperantly only been happening) in the last decade or so, the information is reflecting on those years. The global temperature has not risen at all over the past 10 years, LSF trend = ZERO, and has actually been cooling over the past 2 to 3 years. Yet CO2 ppm and population has continued to rise over this last decade+.



For Full size graph click below.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9632/ncdcdb5.png

Here are the cources for the Data:
UAH NCDC LT: http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

Hadley CRUT: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te...hadcrut3gl.txt
 
The global trend graph on the home page (that's the source for your data points) shows something completely different

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

I quote "The time series shows the combined global land and marine surface temperature record from 1850 to 2008. The year 2008 was tenth warmest on record, exceeded by 1998, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2001, 2007 and 1997."

So, of the top ten warmest years between 1850 and 2008, 8 of them we were within the last... ten years.

The trend hasn't changed over the last ten years, because they've all been the hottest on record.

Also, please keep in mind that we just recently entered a solar minimum. This is time when the sun puts out the least energy, so a slight cooling effect from that is probable, even likely.
 
Another point, is recent research indicates that we are nearing a tipping point when massive effects could occur within years and months, not decades and centuries.

Yes, the Earth of long ago was much warmer, but humans have greatly increased the speed of change and that is the danger, to both us, and the ecology.
 
Even if we have sped things up oh well! The world changes for lots of reasons . Adapt or die. Whining about it falls under the latter outcome.
 
SubRosa said:
Even if we have sped things up oh well! The world changes for lots of reasons . Adapt or die. Whining about it falls under the latter outcome.
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Polar bears don't have air conditioners. The temperature change that has already occured has happened in less than 3 generations of polar bear life. They don't have time to adapt.

I don't object to change, I don't object to 'adapt or die'. I do object to people not taking responsability for their actions.
 
Humans are not outside "natural law"...you cannot keep consuming without consequences...but is this a bad thing? I'm sure, at this point, it's a split opinion and I don't see how that is going to change just by pointing fingers. But I will bet my money that as soon as this way of life turns around and bites us in the *** there will be a lot of shudda-cudda-wuddas...
 
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