Mafia 58-

[Kashta]

What is the point in keeping a vote on someone after they've declared themselves out of the game?

I honestly thought that once H20 saw Woods post that he would declare him to be dead, as stated in the rules.



I actually thought it was peculiar that you voted for him after he declared his intention to not play. Why vote for a dead man? In my opinion that is the most useless vote you can make. If he changed his mind and played, it would be near unanimous against him right now, to the point that we wouldn't be able to discuss anything else. So the only question about his certain death was whether it happened last night or tonight.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just questioning your strategy here, I don't think your vote on a dead lead is scummy. But I do think that you're over thinking the situation.

Zaffy, the point was we didn't yet know if the guy was serious about quitting... telling us he is "going to" UD isn't the same thing as quitting the game. And Ice didn't jump in to kill him off either when this came up well BEFORE nightfall.

If everyone had pulled votes off Woodward we'd be powerless to counter a last-minute vote he might place by switching to him so he'd get lynched instead. He had to be kept within at least a vote or two of the lynch or the idiot might still be in the game today. Both Jpappy and Dawg posted comments saying the exact same thing.. whatever we believe now of their real intentions.

 

[Zaffy]

i believe its time.

im heading off to work here in the next ten minutes or so....and guess what. i wont be back.

it seems i have almost all votes on me the bad thing is....im going to UD.


friday night i found out i am going to be busy almost all this week. with work, the end of the trimester, and a marriage in the family thats about to go down.....theres no time to be lynching people on the internet. so i figured i would have some fun on saturday



i must admit that Rich and Noods are not on my team at all.....i just thought it would be fun to see how some people would take the thing i said.

in fact, i cannot communicate with anybody this game...but im not going to tell you what side i am on...you will find that out "tomorrow"



im sorry for any of you die-hard mafioso out there who think i may have ruined a night of this game by messing around...but hey, i doubt any of you are that extreme.


so yeah. i dont think i missed anything...i will check up on this thread tonight to see if i got hit with a double whammy (UD and the noose) and i will try and look at this thread throughout the rest of the week to see if my suspisions were correct or false.



so rich....you were right about 40 or so posts ago when you said that the train could be random fun.




good day all :frog:

If I were the mod, I'd have killed him off for the part in red. He said it with clear, unambiguous context that he did not intend to play the game.

Note to ice, please don't take this as a criticism of your modding. I think you're modding a fun game so far

 

[Zaffy]

My above post is a reply to Kash's point, just to be clear.

 

[jpappy789]

Thinking about this now, I have little faith that:

1) Wood would first of all think of something like this. Remember, he had no team to tell him what to do after getting into that mess.

2) Ice would let something like that slide. Seriously, I'd even bet that the UD post made his night.

So you can theorize all you want about "our" intentions. I made it evident that I thought Wood was mafia. He said he would UD. I moved my vote. Gun died and was the hobo. Wood UD'd and ended up mafia.

 

[jpappy789]

Thinking about this now, I have little faith that:

1) Wood would first of all think of something like this. Remember, he had no team to tell him what to do after getting into that mess.

2) Ice would let something like that slide. Seriously, I'd even bet that the UD post made his night.

So you can theorize all you want about "our" intentions. I made it evident that I thought Wood was mafia. He said he would UD. I moved my vote. Gun died and was the hobo. Wood UD'd and ended up mafia.

By this I mean no way would Wood come up with the idea to fake UD and vote right before night.

 

[IceH2O]

In regards to Woods UD post.

I hadn't been on the computer till my post 40 minutes before night fall,I saw no reason to kill him off that close to night fall, he also PMed me which I didn't get till the same time. The disease was his idea. I just added a fitting twist.

If I had seen the post or PM earlier that day he would have been taken out ASAP.

 

[Kashta]

Kash:

I thought Wood still had a vote thus I sais I would keep my vote there to make sure he died no matter what. When I realized he retracted off of Zaffy and would UD even if he didn't contact Ice I figure that I might as well find another place for my vote. I thought I would be around for nightfall but turns out I wasn't so even if Wood came back I wouldn't have been able to switch and no point in leaving it there for no reason other than that. It's funny that you decided to keep your vote there and go after the people who switched. I wholeheartedly believed that Wood was mafia...go ahead and look at all my posts towards him yesterday as the day went on and he kept spewing BS. Just because I pulled my vote off when he said he was going to quit does not mean I was letting off him at all. Ice is a strict enough mod IMO that even if Wood came back and voted more likely than not he would not let a stunt like that slide anyways. You act as if my retraction was trying to draw attention away from Wood when a good portion of what was directed at him was from me in the first place. Sounds like a stupid way to play.

I chose Gun pretty much randomly. It was either him or Annie and I while I thought Annie's first post was unlike him, Gun hadn't said a word. Either way we didn't lose a townie which could have happened had I chose Annie.

Do you not remember that I was the very first person to even point out that Annie voted without saying anything else?

My logic is not 100% Kash, but given what Wood pulled yesterday I find it odd that certain people skirted around it. DD mentioned it once, MC tried to build a case but voted another way, Jb showed what Rich said and I agree that he too was noncommittal on the issue. I'm not trying to connect them to what Wood said or did. I'm doing the opposite, they ignored it for the most part probably because they didn't want to get into the mix of things...a mafia-like thing to do.

Pappy, there was nothing preventing Wood from placing a vote (to avoid a UD) whenever he wanted to. All he had to do was submit that post before Ice killed him off. It was a very simple way for him bluff us (again) hoping he wouldn't get lynched... if that's what his real plan was.

With all the other garbage he'd posted the whole day, why should anyone take his word for anything? The reason I voted him when I did was because the rest of you started retracting your votes. If that was his bone-head plan to save himself, then you were (collectively) letting him get away with it.

I didn't want to just sit here and let him skunk us like that if that's what he ended up doing. I was also monitoring the thread from then on so I could switch my vote to another suspect if Ice stepped in to remove Woodward before nightfall... but that didn't happen. I had already posted my suspect list, so it was easy for me to change my vote later if needed.

In any case, I believe you and I are using pretty much the same logic here. However.... I question the wisdom (and allegiance) of so many players letting Wood off the hook so fast to (possibly) protect a foolish non-communicating teammate. You on the other hand have decided to hold people accountable who were even less involved.. or unsure.. or not paying attention... or focused on other suspects... whatever. Time will tell fairly soon in this game which of us is reading these events and the logic behind this the right way.

 

[Kashta]

If I had seen the post or PM earlier that day he would have been taken out ASAP.

Thanks, Ice. And that would have been the proper time for the rest of us to switch or retract our Woodward votes had this happened that way... but not before.

 

[rich311k]

I did not get involved with the Wood thing. I was out all day and by the time I got on he had posted his death post. I saw no reason to bother with it at that point.

 

[jpappy789]

Pappy, there was nothing preventing Wood from placing a vote (to avoid a UD) whenever he wanted to. All he had to do was submit that post before Ice killed him off. It was a very simple way for him bluff us (again) hoping he wouldn't get lynched... if that's what his real plan was.

With all the other garbage he'd posted the whole day, why should anyone take his word for anything? The reason I voted him when I did was because the rest of you started retracting your votes. If that was his bone-head plan to save himself, then you were (collectively) letting him get away with it.

I didn't want to just sit here and let him skunk us like that if that's what he ended up doing. I was also monitoring the thread from then on so I could switch my vote to another suspect if Ice stepped in to remove Woodward before nightfall... but that didn't happen. I had already posted my suspect list, so it was easy for me to change my vote later if needed.

In any case, I believe you and I are using pretty much the same logic here. However.... I question the wisdom (and allegiance) of so many players letting Wood off the hook so fast to (possibly) protect a foolish non-communicating teammate. You on the other hand have decided to hold people accountable who were even less involved.. or unsure.. or not paying attention... or focused on other suspects... whatever. Time will tell fairly soon in this game which of us is reading these events and the logic behind this the right way.

Well we now know Ice received a PM and was going to kill him off if he had seen the post earlier. Whether he came back and threw in a vote is beside the point now.

I doubt the entire team voted together anyways (another reason why I think certain mafia avoided the issue), so saying then that "we" all pulled off Wood as a team is just as unlikely.

I can't say for sure what the communicating team was thinking when Wood was around, but it would be a risky move to try to let someone off the hook without knowing 100% if they were even your teammate. I can look back and say that I personally was convinced that Wood was more than scummy enough to go to the noose last night, but that doesn't mean I didn't still take into account the possibility that he was just an innocent that had no idea what they were doing. Given the people who play this game, I sort of have to assume that the mafia also had that feeling to some extent.

So to say that all the communicating mafia first voted Wood and then collectively jumped off as an effort to save a potential teammate is really far fetched IMO.

There is also a difference in not being able to commit as much as time and flat out ignoring what Wood did, or trying not to bring attention to yourself by challenging what someone says with the possibility being wrong.

Heck, it's only Day 2. My top suspect UD'd, one of my next ended up being lynched. Had to add more people to my list and after Rich was mentioned I decided to go back and check on those who did not vote Wood, seeing as a good portion of those still around did at some time or another. Some had better reasons than others or at least voiced those opinions more.