Mafia 58-

So far I have found Kash's posts helpful. The same cannot be said of Rich. Easy choice for me.

I retract my vote for MC and vote to lynch Rich.

MC is a scumbag too.
 
OgreMkV said:
Two things

1) anyone read my post?

2) I am interested in keeping the votes even. I agree that one of the two must be mafia, but it's an open question (i.e. the headlines don't help) which is which. We have two up on the bad guys right now, so I'm willing to change to kash for the purposes of keeping things even.
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Yes Ogre, I read it. There aren't many from you to read. How many have you made??? Two or three???

This one's a real beauty. Had to read this one twice. Are you in effect saying we should make this a two horse race between an innocent and a scumbag. Alarm bells are going off left and right here. You're alot smarter than that Ogre. Not very pro town IMO.
 
OgreMkV said:
Hi guys,

1) no I have not caught up on yesterday.
2) I did not know dawg had two votes when I voted for him. Though I'm glad I did, it was a lucky accident. I was voting to not UD.
3) From the rules

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One non communicating innocent and 1 non communicating mafia will get investigations.
They will also be able to publish a newspaper headline. You will not know which side the headlines are from."

so both noods and kash that the journalists are somehow involved is mistaken. The journalists are either A) reporting the results of investigation or B) making stuff up.

One J is innocent the other is mafia. Obviously the innocent J is trying to tell us who to vote. The mafia J is making stuff up. Which is which?

Even if we 'test' one of them, that doesn't mean anything. Headline style can be copied, names dropped for any or no reason. Each case really needs more than a headline to vote.

To choose one of the two, is to gamble. Which way do you want to go? Or do you want to think about everything else?

JB was non-communicating so that doesn't help us with the Jpap/TRS thing.

Of everything I've heard so far, the only thing that has me interested is Annie quoting MC saying that he[MC] sees Dawg's logic. It really doesn't make sense for a communicating mafia to say that to another communicating mafia, normally mafia want to be as far away from each other as possible (unless there is a plan).

Based on this shakey tree of logic, I vote to lynch Annie.
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Explain to me Ogre, as you would to a 5 year old, what you mean by the part in red. Which post did I quote MC agreeing to Dawgs logic that had you interested??? Please quote the post to which you were referring.
 
Well that was a fun night of back and forth starring MC and Red, glad I was asleep, ha!

Ok let me go back to my last thoughts last night. I believe we have to vote for either Kash or Rich Tonight. Why? Because the odds are 50/50 in our favor of lynching a Mafia. So Day 1 odds, and you ask how is this better than choosing someone at random, we've killed two Mafia so far and only lost one Innocent and the Hobo... The answer is that once we lynch one of these two we can ALMOST clear the other. If we lynch an Innocent then we KNOW the other is a Scumbag. However if we lynch a Mafia the other COULD still be a Mafia (other Journalist would be Mafia and a liar). However, most likely the other would be Innocent.

I believe Kash is being more helpful for the Town. She was a big proponent of lynching Dawg, and JB liked Rich as scum. So we have a known Mafia (Dawg) dead due in part to Kash and a known dead Innocent (JB) that suspected Rich. Also, Rich's posts have not been nearly as helpful or investigative. The non-communicating baddies mire this analysis a bit but I think I like Rich for scum.

Ogre, I read your post on the Headlines. Each Journalist seems to have their own style so I would argue until one dies we can figure out who is who and once we lynch Kash or Rich we will know more about which is truthful. Yes, the Mafia one could try and mimic the others style but then we would clearly have two similar sounding Headlines and we would know we were being duped.

In opposition to the plan to vote Kash and Rich equally I would support ALL Innocents (communicative and non alike) make a pact to vote one candidate. Since Rich is in the lead, let's say Rich for arguements sake. If we are correct, HOORAY!!!, if we are incorrect Kash goes Tomorrow pending new headlines (admittedly "cash" is less certain than "Rich" including his numbers - Note to Journalist :P ). I suspect that Journalist thought the Headlines worked like in the previous games where you couldn't directly name a suspect. Of course Mafia will pile on as well, but if the movement got off the ground, I would STRONGLY look at anyone that voted Kash, and much MORE so anyone who voted neither.

(I put the above in red so no one skims past it)

Regardless of what we decide on that I vote to lynch Rich
 
ZSandmann said:
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In opposition to the plan to vote Kash and Rich equally I would support ALL Innocents (communicative and non alike) make a pact to vote one candidate. Since Rich is in the lead, let's say Rich for arguements sake. If we are correct, HOORAY!!!, if we are incorrect Kash goes Tomorrow pending new headlines (admittedly "cash" is less certain than "Rich" including his numbers - Note to Journalist :P ). I suspect that Journalist thought the Headlines worked like in the previous games where you couldn't directly name a suspect. Of course Mafia will pile on as well, but if the movement got off the ground, I would STRONGLY look at anyone that voted Kash, and much MORE so anyone who voted neither.

(I put the above in red so no one skims past it)

Regardless of what we decide on that I vote to lynch Rich
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I still think that the non-communicating mafia has to be careful about naming specific players in case they end up getting lynched and are mafia. Because of that, I think the headline about Rich is more correct. Unless they are setting Rich up, which would not get them very far. Then we know Kash is mafia. Add in the fact that he hasn't done nearly as much digging as Kash...

I still am hesitant about TRS, but then I thought, would TRS really pull enough weight on the team to initiate such a plan? Would anyone else on the team go for it?

Highly unlikely, but I still am suspicious of him blindly going after Rich w/o doing anything else. If anything, they are both mafia just cannot communicate OR doing some risky distancing.

I vote to lynch Rich
 
Well this is now at the pointess point. I voted for a know mafia, most of you cannot say that. All there is is a headline written by an unknown and I am guilty.

Why because Kashta has written volumes and is blowing smoke up your collective 'you know whats'.

I vote to lynch Kashta.
 
rich311k said:
Well this is now at the pointess point. I voted for a know mafia, most of you cannot say that. All there is is a headline written by an unknown and I am guilty.

Why because Kashta has written volumes and is blowing smoke up your collective 'you know whats'.

I vote to lynch Kashta.
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More than half the town voted for Wood at one point...
 
Rich the Headlines are written by unknowns yes, but one is Innocent and one is Mafia, that is known. So since both apparently name suspects one of them (the Innocent) got a Mafia on their Invest. Now I expect you to vote for Kash, you have to really. Kash voted for Wood on Day 1 (a known Mafia) and Jpappy Day 2 (unknown). Yes you voted for Dawg but if you are noncommunicative you wouldn't have known he was Mafia so you can't gain much credibility for that vote.
 
Who hasn't voted yet? anyone have a count?
 
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