Mafia 58-

[Zaffy]

that makes the whole thing a moot point I suppose.

I retract my vote to lynch kashta and vote to lynch rich311k.

I think he's way more scummier than Kash. I only put my vote on kash to make it a close race in hopes that there would be a move to save him. It appears at this point that is not the case. So he's probably run of the mill regular scum, not the communicating kind. Unless we're all wrong, but I'm comfortable with that.

I vote to lynch Kashta

We know one of them is scum, so I'd hate to have full train on just one, lets set the scum up so that they have to make a move.

I think this makes the votes 3-1 in richs favor?

I third this, seems the best strategy to me.





Zaffy, if you think she is Innocent then why vote her to keep it from becoming a train? If you think her Innocent then Rich is Mafia and it makes since to vote him right away.

As I said earlier, this is not the scenario where you run two candidates. In that scenario you run two as you suspect both but want to see vote shifts to see who saves whom (who/whom?) In this case one person IS Mafia and one is Most Likely Innocent.

It makes sense to run the votes on the one most likely to be MAfia so the Mafia can't shift a few votes and lynch the Innocent of the two assuming they know which is which. They are down two but the numbers are still rather close.

That's why I am keeping you high on my suspect list Zaffy. Glad to see you've joined the movement for now though, that leaves just MC and Ogre.

The relevant text is big and red. You even quoted my post where I said it.

 

[jpappy789]

I am at a loss here. I think pap and kashta are both OK and just clashing heads over semantics.

Zsand has been quiet as he said he would but that sure does not clear anyone.

I don't trust Annie but don't see anything to catch onto.

Jbrandt seems to be hard at work kicking bushes so I will allow the benefit of doubt for the moment.

I am not sure of MC I will keep an eye on him he is hard to read.

Noodles has been awfully quiet but I hate that reasoning coupled with no other good reason for a vote.

Zaffy's avatar disturbs me, but not much else there. I dont get a good feeling there though.

For the moment I vote to lynch Dawg, his reasoning above seems kind of hollow to me.

This was before last nightfall...no clear suspects but a vote on Dawg (communicating mafia).

I do not know what the headline is about. I do know I voted for a mobster and I would like to think I am smarter than hitting my number one accuser. Maybe the mob has a good reason to kill me off.

Rich's defense: I voted Dawg and wouldn't hit Jb. I agree, you're definitely not a communicating mafia.

I believe I made several posts putting my thoughts out there. I was also correct by the way.

This was in response to TRS.

I do not need to play by your terms. I will post my thoughts when I have them organized.

Again, in response to TRS.

While I find TRS's question hypocritical, I have to ask Rich...who are your suspects? I don't see a clear list of people, just a bunch of random thoughts that point no where.

I posted my thoughts not to long ago. I will post them when I wish not when you wish.

See me question above.

Also, it's hard to believe that someone is pro-town when they hold back on who they think is mafia. At least Kash is digging and finding suspects.

Well this is now at the pointess point. I voted for a know mafia, most of you cannot say that. All there is is a headline written by an unknown and I am guilty.

Why because Kashta has written volumes and is blowing smoke up your collective 'you know whats'.

I vote to lynch Kashta.

Again, the excuse that he voted Dawg...

Wow you guys are convincing I may vote for myself. I still don't see how you all find this as overwhelming. Considering how many mafia there are out there you think you would at least pause and try to find a good candidate. as we know though following the ,masses makes it much easier to stay alive in this game. I still say you come to the conclusion that Kash is innocent because she talked more than me. Surely you could find something more than that,

See my response a couple posts up.

But I will repeat my question: do you even have any suspects? Are you willing to share anything or are you just going to act like people are too pushy?

I think it's clear with the votes piling on that Rich is not a communicating innocent, so at least thats ruled out as a possibility.

 

[AnniesNotOK]

If Kash is the Innocent of the two her name is already out there since the Journalist used it. Whether we lynch Rich or Kash doesn't change the fact that the one proven Innocent will be a target to the Mafia. But don't forget the Mafia Journalist is noncommunicating so it is possible that they named one of there own.


I'd advise against this at this point in the game. We are doing well to have two Mafia already gone and we have a good lead on a third, I don't think the risk is worth the reward.

You'll catch more slack from me if your vote stays on Kash since I really think she is Innocent. This goes for Ogre as well with his straggler vote on Annie. I also have Annie leaning Mafia, but Tonight isn't his night.

Hmmmmmm interesting. Blowing a little smoke here and hoping for bites??? Explain what has me leaning mafia to you at this point. Mama Mia Z, whats that on your shirt???

While I am not condoning Ogre's low posting style, are you really asking Ogre this when you have only 1 more post than him? Just sticks out like maybe you are trying to throw people up in the middle...


I am not really sure... I do see though that the communicating innocents have their hit tonight so at least, until finding out what Rich is, Kash can be spared.... I am conceerned though if he does come up mafia... she would be leaning innocent IMO, and I would think a target for the mafia's next hit.

You sure DD??? I'm sure I've posted a little more than Ogre by now. Are you purposefully misinforming the town, or is math different in New Jersey???

Right now I'm liking my vote for Rich.

I know have Kashta and Jpap now leaning innocent.

MC is my next strongest suspect.

 

[ZSandmann]

Wow you guys are convincing I may vote for myself. I still don't see how you all find this as overwhelming. Considering how many mafia there are out there you think you would at least pause and try to find a good candidate. as we know though following the ,masses makes it much easier to stay alive in this game. I still say you come to the conclusion that Kash is innocent because she talked more than me. Surely you could find something more than that,

Because we KNOW one of the Headlines is from a confirmed Innocent, its built into the role. Either you or Kash are Mafia. That is more known data than on any other suspect, ffrom that we have all come to the conclusion you are more likely Mafia than Kash due to your lack of suspects or pro-Town effort. If we are wrong Kash is 100% Mafia, with two Mafia down we have a bit of flex in feeling you two out to find the scum.

The relevant text is big and red. You even quoted my post where I said it.

Yes you said you voted for Kash to try and keep both of them in play for the lynch then once you retracted you said you believe Kash is Innocent but you just didn't want everyone to run the table on Rich. That's all well and good but if you are certain someone is Innocent YOU DON'T VOTE TO KILL THEM. I explained all this in my previous post where I quoted your posts.

(For clarity I'm not shouting, the caps were for emphasis)

 

[AnniesNotOK]

Hmmmmmm interesting. Blowing a little smoke here and hoping for bites??? Explain what has me leaning mafia to you at this point. Mama Mia Z, whats that on your shirt???



You sure DD??? I'm sure I've posted a little more than Ogre by now. Are you purposefully misinforming the town, or is math different in New Jersey???

Right now I'm liking my vote for Rich.

I know have Kashta and Jpap now leaning innocent.

MC is my next strongest suspect.

I mean i now have Kash and Jpap leaning innocent.

 

[jpappy789]

Hmmmmmm interesting. Blowing a little smoke here and hoping for bites??? Explain what has me leaning mafia to you at this point. Mama Mia Z, whats that on your shirt???



You sure DD??? I'm sure I've posted a little more than Ogre by now. Are you purposefully misinforming the town, or is math different in New Jersey???

Right now I'm liking my vote for Rich.

I know have Kashta and Jpap now leaning innocent.

MC is my next strongest suspect.

Right now = Annie 18, Ogre 15.

After making two posts = Annie 16, Ogre 15.

 

[AnniesNotOK]

Right now = Annie 18, Ogre 15.

After making two posts = Annie 16, Ogre 15.

Well, thanks Jpap. I guess it's the math here that's different. Metric system is to blame.

My apologies to DD.

 

[ZSandmann]

Hmmmmmm interesting. Blowing a little smoke here and hoping for bites??? Explain what has me leaning mafia to you at this point. Mama Mia Z, whats that on your shirt???



You sure DD??? I'm sure I've posted a little more than Ogre by now. Are you purposefully misinforming the town, or is math different in New Jersey???

Right now I'm liking my vote for Rich.

I know have Kashta and Jpap now leaning innocent.

MC is my next strongest suspect.

I have nothing solid Annie its just one of my feeling. However, I am going to call you on the posting part of this that you directed at DD.

AnniesNotOK 18Woodward 17OgreMkV 15
You have 18 posts, Ogre has 15. So before this post it was 17-15, you are both equally active...

 

[ZSandmann]

Darn beaten to the punch, but to be honest post count means nill. It's the quality of your posting that matters.

 

[Zaffy]

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Yes you said you voted for Kash to try and keep both of them in play for the lynch then once you retracted you said you believe Kash is Innocent but you just didn't want everyone to run the table on Rich. That's all well and good but if you are certain someone is Innocent YOU DON'T VOTE TO KILL THEM. I explained all this in my previous post where I quoted your posts.

(For clarity I'm not shouting, the caps were for emphasis)

I never intended to leave my vote on kash, I put my vote there in hopes that we could learn something if rich were a communicating mafia member. If he was, then there would be incentive to try and save him. But, either he's not, or they've decided to cut their losses and they've certainly jumped on the lynch rich bandwagon that you guys have created.

I think he's scum because he hasn't done squat to help the town. Kash is at least putting pressure on people. That's helpful play imo. I was trying to be helpful by setting up a scenario where it looked like the vote wasn't such a slam dunk. Now, in the unlikey event that rich is a communicating mafia member, we have lost the chance to learn anything about his possible connections. He's certainly not posting anything, and nobody else is going to dare to try and swing the vote. I think this monoculture is not helpful to the town, it lets the mafia hide in broad daylight while we sit on our hands and wait for the next headline.