Mafia #60: A Clash at Christmas- The Play

dirtydawg10 said:
I thought of another compromise to make this thing go super swell. Since JB and some of you others are so adamant that TRS is an evil elf...why not have Jack frost use his nip on TRS tonight. If TRS is an evil elf as some of you say he will be turned good. If he is truly Santa it will not affect him. Another win win situation.
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Is there a drawback to this plan?
 
Jack Frost, is a mischievous spirit who simply wishes to last the winter. He has the ability to “nip” one person during the course of the game. If he chooses an evil elf, they will turn good. But if an innocent elf is nipped, they will become an evil elf without immediate connection to the Grinch. All non-elf players are immune to the “nip.”
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Is Santa exempt, or does he count as an innocent elf?
 
dirtydawg10 said:
Please explain to me as you would to a 5yr old why investigating TRS does anything for the town? All it does is cover your a$$. If you KNOW he is evil it makes no difference if he is communicating or not. He still needs to go. If you don't invest Z tonight you will be receiving my vote tomorrow.




How so?




For those that don't understand I'll try my best to explain it.

There are 4 evil and 7 innocent right now. I would like to see DD go because with the events close to nightfall and the vote switch she seems to be the best candidate right now. If she turns up innocent it will be 4 evil to 6 innocent.

If both Santas investigate Z and both confirm innocent then Z stays in the game. If either of the other 2 options happen (they both confirm evil or have a split decision) Then Z is lynched. If both confirm Z is evil we will know he is evil and risk nothing. If the split decision comes up and we lynch him we know without a doubt who was lying. Worst case if we lynch Z and he is innocent we still control the vote at 4 evil to 5 innocent but we will have a confirmed evil to lynch the next night putting us at 3 evil to 5 innocent.

Stay with me...the reason this works Rich is because we know thw real Santa will be telling the truth. If the evil elf confirms what the real Santa gets from the invest than we know what Z is because the real Santa is telling the truth and the evil posing as the other Santa will have just followed along. I hope this makes sense.
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I will explain how below...

dirtydawg10 said:
Uhhhhh...I am voting for DD. Am I missing something here? or are you skimming too?




Ok well this is a post that makes sense. Except for the part that you agree we shouldn't vote for a roleclaimed yet you are still voting for TRS. Would you care to explain that?

I can still see JB being innocent but he's not fully proving himself to me as of yet. I'd like to see his comments on why he thought investigating TRS makes any sense. I'd also like to see him investigate you this nightfall. If you are innocent Z then the invests will prove that. If you are innocent the invests will either both come back innocent or one innocent and one evil. If the Santas disagree then we will need to lynch you in order to see who'd lying.
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for tonight, it's pretty clear I will be voted out, yet we still do not who is telling the truth between TRS and JB. So tonight, we wait for their investigations. Tonight.... one innocent (me) gone. Tomorrow, if both invest come back on Z and one is innocent, one is evil... tomorrow night the team takes out Z.... so there, is possibly another innocent gone (however, I don't really think Z is innocent but just for the sake of explaining myself, lets say he is good). So then, tomorrow night, another innocent gone and then we (or the rest of the town, if I am gone) waits to see how the investigations turn out... and still there is not indication of which Santa is telling the truth.... only that another potential innocneet is gone. That is one heck of a way for the elves to get their hits out...
 
jbradt said:
I'm not saying my invest on you proves anything. Just putting out there the information I have to help the town. I probably won't be back on much today or tomorrow seeing as how I have to go back to work.

Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Choose wisely all.
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That quote was in response to you wondering where Fire was. She posted and you skimmed over her post.


jbradt said:
You seem to be taking it for granted that jack is pro-town. You can't trust him any more than me or TRS at this point.

What does your gut tell you Dawg?
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Fire seems to be on board with the idea and you investigated her and she is Jack, right?? So it shouldn't be an issue.
 
Ahhh...more skimming...but then again it is DD so that is to be expected...

Dangerdoll said:
I will explain how below...


for tonight, it's pretty clear I will be voted out, yet we still do not who is telling the truth between TRS and JB. So tonight, we wait for their investigations. Tonight.... one innocent (me) gone. Tomorrow, if both invest come back on Z and one is innocent, one is evil... tomorrow night the team takes out Z.... so there, is possibly another innocent gone (however, I don't really think Z is innocent but just for the sake of explaining myself, lets say he is good). So then, tomorrow night, another innocent gone and then we (or the rest of the town, if I am gone) waits to see how the investigations turn out... and still there is not indication of which Santa is telling the truth.... only that another potential innocneet is gone. That is one heck of a way for the elves to get their hits out...
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I spelled it all out for you in one of my previous posts...here it is again. Please read it this time. Thanks.

dirtydawg10 said:
I'm not bullying anyone. If everyone follows through with the plan I mentioned the worst case scenario is we will still be up on the evils by 2 team members when it's done. Best case scenario we will have 7 innocents to 2 evils. I'm not sure how that doesn't make more sense to you than investigating someone you already "know" is evil. To each his own.

I've been helping the town all along. As I have pointed out several times already the Grinch would still be here picking us off if it wasn't for my vote last night. I already mentioned that I had my choice between DD and Ice last night. I could have taken out DD outright (who you say is innocent) but I tied it up on Ice instead. I'm thinking if I was evil my vote would have never gone onto the Grinch.
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Dangerdoll said:
I will explain how below...


for tonight, it's pretty clear I will be voted out, yet we still do not who is telling the truth between TRS and JB. So tonight, we wait for their investigations. Tonight.... one innocent (me) gone. Tomorrow, if both invest come back on Z and one is innocent, one is evil... tomorrow night the team takes out Z.... so there, is possibly another innocent gone (however, I don't really think Z is innocent but just for the sake of explaining myself, lets say he is good). So then, tomorrow night, another innocent gone and then we (or the rest of the town, if I am gone) waits to see how the investigations turn out... and still there is not indication of which Santa is telling the truth.... only that another potential innocneet is gone. That is one heck of a way for the elves to get their hits out...
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Why is it a foregone conclusion that you will be voted out tonight DD??

Here's what I get...

DD (4) - Dawg, Razz, Agass, Rich
TRS (4) - DD, JB, Z, LR
JB (1) - TRS
LR (1) - Fire

No vote from Zaffy

TRS if you are truely Santa your vote needs to be on DD. If Fire and Zaffy vote for DD it will be 7 votes to 4...hmmm...it just so happens that is the ratio of evil to innocent.
 
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