Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread

[The Red Severum]

Even if it's a miss and we lose you in the game as a result, at least you're not putting another good mafia hunter into the next risky gunslinger position so soon.

I am a bit confused at this statement. Are you saying you rather have someone like AG as the gunslinger, who has very little grasp to the game, then someone like ice who usually can find the mafia by how they post? If so, I disagree and agree. I think we need to talk about that as a town as your point is good too.

 

[Kashta]

I am a bit confused at this statement. Are you saying you rather have someone like AG as the gunslinger, who has very little grasp to the game, then someone like ice who usually can find the mafia by how they post? If so, I disagree and agree. I think we need to talk about that as a town as your point is good too.

No. What I'm saying is we need to be looking for mafia real hard rather than recruiting the next gunslinger in line because it's very early in the game. My point is this is more a matter of timing than anything else.

Ice would be MOST valuable to us as the gunslinger later in the game than he is on Day 1. Since he got picked for that position first... the odds are higher that we'll lose him for shooting a townie instead of hitting a mafia member. It's real early right now to pick out the right target... and that benefits the mafia a lot while likely hurting our chances a little as the game progresses.

The roles were assigned randomly so we're not looking for someone who was hand picked... ANYONE could be on the mafia team. Our first few townie kills also usually turn out to be fellow innocents. We have a tendency to go after high profile players early in the game because it's easier to suspect someone who's actively posting. So the mafia gets to sit back and let the townies take each other out for a while. When this happens, we also lose people who post a lot.. and question others.. and find clues that lead to scum.. and help everyone else narrow down the suspect pool. They also keep the game moving along at a faster pace which makes it more difficult for the scum to hide out and just coast along.

The list of names Ice posted would make an excellent "hit list" for the mafia side (IF they got hits in this format). So the mafia team would be quite pleased if Ice picked someone else right now whom they also consider dangerous. We stand a better chance of picking wrong now than later on.

Ice named a bunch of people who (if innocent) are really good at sniffing out evil. So if he shoots one of them and it's another townie, the next gunslinger to follow won't have much evidence yet to make a highly accurate choice either. A lot of different people are going to end up being the gunslinger from one day to the other... so it might be a good idea to save our best and brightest for later on... say, Days 3 and 4 instead of Days 1 and 2.

 

[jbradt]

This is a good point, Ice. And since we figure the mafia picked you as the first gunslinger because they feel you're dangerous to them.... you'd likely make the mafia very happy if you target somebody else YOU consider dangerous when taking your shot. For that reason, I'd rather see you shoot someone not on the list you just gave us... that leaves these names then as promising suspects for at least one mafia position on their team.

Agassizii
Annie
Lab_Rat
RazzleFish

Even if it's a miss and we lose you in the game as a result, at least you're not putting another good mafia hunter into the next risky gunslinger position so soon.

I see the logic in this Kash. And I can't help but point out that in lists of potential candidates for the first shot, Lab keeps coming up.

More later.

 

[jbradt]

I'm not sure about your logic or your motive here, Jb. This would be a convenient theory to propose by someone wishing to protect either Lab Rat or Zaffy (as their mafia teammate).

Anyone sitting in a mafia role right now is apt to pick Ice as the first gunslinger... that includes the vets who've played with and against him in so many games AND noobs who would be intimidated by his skill, high participation level, and reputation in the game. For us to read a whole lot more into the mafia's pick at this stage seems a bit risky to me.

I see what you're saying here too. But for me, it seems like a good place to start looking. You say it's risky, I guess my reply to that is: what isn't a risky strategy at this point. I agree with Jpap in that this is a difficult format for the town. Having some way to start thinking about it helps me. I thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Why would it be fun to be the gunslinger???

Hmmm...Lab seems pretty confident that having the gunslinger role would be fun while everyone else seems to abhor the role. Is this because you know that you'll never be given the chance???

I guess I really didn't think through the responsibility and implications of the role before posting it would be fun. I guess it would have been better if I said I like special roles. I prefer being in a communicating role or one with a special power...so poor wording on my part. I'm still so pure vanilla I'm in a bean.

For example... I think it's interesting that You and Lab (see above quotes) seem to refer to Ice's time as Sheriff as pointless if he doesn't hit a mafia. this is silly. As stated above, the more time goes by, the more we'll learn. I know this is my perspective, and I know I'm an innocent. Which makes me wonder what motives would lead one to think of this time as unimportant, regardless of the outcome of Ice's shot?

It's interesting to me that you both would post such a sentiment that seems so contrary to how I see things.

I never said Ice's time would be pointless if he doesn't hit a mafia, I said it would be pointless if he hit me. If he hits me, the town loses Ice and then I'm gunslinger. I'll admit to being new here with only one game under my belt to get to know people and their styles; I would not be the best candidate to be gunslinger just for the sake of the town.

And I should add that I'm really looking at Lab now. Obviously we don't know anything, but I know Lab is good at laying low and it fits with the "me Lab or Zaffy are evil" scenario. So I'll be looking that way.

Interesting how you bring up the statistics of previous mafia being mafia again and quickly point the finger at me...distracting from your mafia goon role? You had many fooled as to your mafia role last game.

Anyways, I'm looking mainly at Lab. The way he(?) responded to Ice's question was weird

It's she and I explained my poor choice of words above.

I think before the 48 hours is up we should all post a "vote" and that way at least Ice will have the opinion of the masses to work with in his decision. I still need to hear from more players before I point at anyone in particular.

I like this idea.

I'm not sure about your logic or your motive here, Jb. This would be a convenient theory to propose by someone wishing to protect either Lab Rat or Zaffy (as their mafia teammate).

I see his motive here is to point the finger towards me (or Zaffy), not protect. That works in his favor if indeed the statistics that one mafia from last game is randomly selected for mafia again. He is throwing me under the bus to cover himself or Zaffy.

Honestly, what I see is a lot of JB and Jpappy pseudodistancing themselves, yet they are still agreeing and focusing on me as a scapegoat. Good move if you're mafia and I get hit as Ice is then eliminated from the game and as I said before, I would not be a real threat to hit mafia. Makes me very suspicious of both of them.

 

[jpappy789]

Dawg, your second assertion is correct.

I think Ice taking out a low poster is a good idea if nothing else comes up. I said I wouldn't want to choose a low poster as gunslinger.

 

[jpappy789]

Thinking on this format overnight and Ice I don't think shooting a low-poster is a good idea. The Sherriff needs to be a bit of a leader for the Town. A low or non-poster isn't going to do that, they aren't going to be reading and rereading posts or asking questions. IMO, at least for Day 1, you should target one of the loud people. If they are Mafia, that's awesome, if not at least we have someone to pick up the badge Tomorrow.

This would be the case IF we/Ice doesnt have a better option. At this point its damage control...targeting a high poster would be great if they are mafia, but if not we lose Ice and potentially the targeted person the next day. Shooting a low poster is the same but less of a loss if they are innocent. But like you said, a talkative gunslinger is the only way the town can win besides luck. Either way, I see pitfalls.

This is a good point, Ice. And since we figure the mafia picked you as the first gunslinger because they feel you're dangerous to them.... you'd likely make the mafia very happy if you target somebody else YOU consider dangerous when taking your shot. For that reason, I'd rather see you shoot someone not on the list you just gave us... that leaves these names then as promising suspects for at least one mafia position on their team.

Agassizii
Annie
Lab_Rat
RazzleFish

Even if it's a miss and we lose you in the game as a result, at least you're not putting another good mafia hunter into the next risky gunslinger position so soon.

Hmmm, that sounds like a decent idea Kash. May I suggest Annie as a target?

He plays wonderfully when evil yet still kicks bushes when innocent. If he's mafia, then we're rid of a sneaky player but if he get the gunslinger role then I dont think he will abandon us.

I've only played with him and Agass from that list. And when I played with Agass we we're both evil and he didn't do much. I dont really have faith in the other players given my limited experience with them...

Thoughts?

No. What I'm saying is we need to be looking for mafia real hard rather than recruiting the next gunslinger in line because it's very early in the game. My point is this is more a matter of timing than anything else.

Ice would be MOST valuable to us as the gunslinger later in the game than he is on Day 1. Since he got picked for that position first... the odds are higher that we'll lose him for shooting a townie instead of hitting a mafia member. It's real early right now to pick out the right target... and that benefits the mafia a lot while likely hurting our chances a little as the game progresses.

The roles were assigned randomly so we're not looking for someone who was hand picked... ANYONE could be on the mafia team. Our first few townie kills also usually turn out to be fellow innocents. We have a tendency to go after high profile players early in the game because it's easier to suspect someone who's actively posting. So the mafia gets to sit back and let the townies take each other out for a while. When this happens, we also lose people who post a lot.. and question others.. and find clues that lead to scum.. and help everyone else narrow down the suspect pool. They also keep the game moving along at a faster pace which makes it more difficult for the scum to hide out and just coast along.

The list of names Ice posted would make an excellent "hit list" for the mafia side (IF they got hits in this format). So the mafia team would be quite pleased if Ice picked someone else right now whom they also consider dangerous. We stand a better chance of picking wrong now than later on.

Ice named a bunch of people who (if innocent) are really good at sniffing out evil. So if he shoots one of them and it's another townie, the next gunslinger to follow won't have much evidence yet to make a highly accurate choice either. A lot of different people are going to end up being the gunslinger from one day to the other... so it might be a good idea to save our best and brightest for later on... say, Days 3 and 4 instead of Days 1 and 2.

I agree, which is why Annies post intrigued me so much. I still think low profile and/or newer players would target people like Ice first. Annies assertion that his top three would be me, Kash, and Ice worries me...I'm still waiting on the explanation.

 

[jpappy789]

Annie, you say that Kash and I are better choices. Are you then saying that because Ice was chosen, and we werent, that we were the mafia who chose Ice? Is that why you would shoot us next?

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg, your second assertion is correct.

I think Ice taking out a low poster is a good idea if nothing else comes up. I said I wouldn't want to choose a low poster as gunslinger.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Annie...I'm very curious as to why you see me and Kash are better choices than Ice. As of now I see Ice as a wash, a dangerous player but has a reputation of being bad when good. So I wouldn't choose him first, but not scratch him off the list entirely. Since choosing the gunslinger is basically the equivalent of hitting someone just w/o it being 100%, I would likely choose a middle of the road player just for the sake of it. Theres a chance they will die and for the most part it could be considered random since its not a high profile player. My first choices would be along the lines of Zaffy or Dawg or Rich. All are skilled players but arent overly talkative. Keeping Ice or Kashta around would help me personally fit in more since they usually post more like I tend to do. Getting rid of low posters is sort of unproductive seeing as they are not a threat. I dont think picking Ice was the smartest idea, so maybe picking me or Kashta would be considered better (not the best though), but why do you think that?

FYI JPap, according to the first post Rich is not playing this round. The only reason I point this out is I was wondering why Rich hadn't posted yet.