Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

[Coler]

Correction - it was the fact that only pr's received pms.

 

[noodles62]

Sorry but this might be a bit long...I wanted to snip the quotes to the parts I am addressing but fear getting accused of doing something sinister or hiding info.

a few things to consider and need to get answers to before i reread and cross check posts.

Ok I do understand the concept of kicking bushes and seeing what scurries out.

That being said, I have never played with noods before so I cannot judge her reaction to Kashta.

However, I have noticed that she keeps coming back to it even when she is no longer being questioned about it. :huh:

Labby, you came up with 5, yes count them 5 theories on the subject of kashta/noods. (impressive)
Yet you quickly drop 4 of them and refuse to see any merit in any of them being right. :duh:
You even go so far as to say it is fact that you are right. You state that you are thoroughly convinced noods is scum and then vote to lynch coler because he questioned Kashta's evaluation of the scenario.
Why, if you are convinced someone is scum would you vote someone else? You only changed your vote after caving in to pressure from others calling you on your theory.
DD is sounding like the voice of reason this go round. (another curve ball thrown at me)
FF isn't posting a flurry of nonsense.
I have to agree this is going to be a long game.
Let me ask this, we have those calling Kashta scummy for going after noods so hard so early. We had Dawg doing the same thing last time with JL and FF. Jl turned up innocent as did Dawg after he got lynched for it.
I have not played with Coler and haven't seen much from him.
Nor have I played with Odin.
My dilemma is that I have to vote before I go to work in the morning to avoid UD.
I haven't seen enough to sway me one way or the other yet. I will have to go back through and reread to see if I can make sense of it all.

I only keep coming back to it (against my better judgement) because it seems to be the hot topic of the day! :duh:

I differ with your opinion here on two points.

First, that my early vote is not based off some joke. Okay, that's true. It wasn't a joke that prompted me to vote Noodles so fast. But so what? Who says we're not allowed to vote our primary suspect (if we have one) whenever the heck we want to?

If there's a mafia game rulebook somewhere that tells us Day 1 votes are always supposed to be made on people cracking jokes in the game, then I haven't seen it. Maybe you could show me that reference.

Next... Seriously, Pappy?

Your game style and Noodles' game style is totally different. In all the games we've played together, I don't believe I've ever seen you become overly defensively or OMGUSsy over any Day 1 vote. Or, when someone's just called you scummy over something you think is trivial. On the contrary, your behavior and your personality in these games is much more collected and controlled than to overreact like that at all. So here, I fail to see any relative or meaningful point to this comparison between you and Noodles, whatsoever.

how is my game play different? I thought I always get defensive when I am scummy? so which is it? same or different?

It's late so I'll take a few posts all together.
That is correct that getting defensive over something "trivial" (as Pappy phrased it) is a scum tell. But people get defensive either because they've something to hide (as in having an evil role and hoping nobody will notice)... or because they feel vulnerable or intimidated by the person or the situation.

In your case, Wizard, I believe those you've voted before got nervous because of the situation they were in during those games. Sometimes it takes time for new/new-ish players to gain the confidence they need to hold their own against some of the more tactical players in the game.

As an example, Lab Rat got defensive last time around. While she turned out to be innocent in her role, her demonstrated behavior drew suspicion and that was enough at the time to rattle her. Dawg also got defensive during a game you played... and that got him killed for the same reason. Dawg happens to be a very experienced player so to explain what it was that made him seem this way.... I haven't a clue. Sometimes that just happens.

In this game and in Noodles' case here on Day 1, I don't believe for a moment that she acted defensive because I voted her for making that goof. I do believe, however, that she's on the railroad owner's team. And it was THAT in connection with my unexpected vote that caused her to flinch the way she did.

Odin... still hasn't posted anything of substance. Placing a vote only to dash away without any explanation is not going to sit well with the town in any game.

Are you planning to make another appearance in the thread, Annie? I'd like to know what you've concluded about the "Kash/Noods thing."

Dawg, you think Noods got trigger happy with her post just because the game started. I disagree. It's as simple as that. Given her personality, her exuberence, and her preference for being on an evil team instead of being a townie... IMO, it fits her as I've observed her play in past games that what really got her excited and distracted enough to make that mistake was... finding out she got to be evil again.

A lot of players are mildly disappointed when they get that PM saying they're "just a townie" again. That's why most UD's turn out to be innocents instead of mafia. That's also why most active/vocal players are either scum or townie PRs. By and large, it sucks to be innocent as far as most players are concerned.

My preference to be on an evil team? and where did this tid bit of info happen to come from? I know I never said that because it is not true at all! My life does not bend enough to allow me to be on a communicating team so I truly prefer NOT to be for the sake of the game....more assumptions of me, which I truly find annoying!
If anyone would care to check the first posts from the mod it was over 20 minutes from the time I posted my "yippee" to the time the mod announced game on. hhmmm, could it be that I did not know what role I had when I made my first post? ya think? I would also like to think I am a better and more experienced player to make such a stupid mistake. If/when I was evil, I would take the time to check with my team mates and locate a chat site, not pop in the game thread to announce my arrival. that makes no sense what so ever.

1. As I posted before, I also though Coler's question was fine. I expected I'd be questioned about my early vote, so that wasn't an issue for me at all. Him throwing a vote my way along with that question, however, made his position much stronger than it would have beeen otherwise....and I'm curious why.

We've not heard from Coler since then, but I'm sure he'll be along again soon to elaborate. lmao. It is unusual for Coler (I believe) to vote someone while asking them a question -- but not bother to even wait for their answer.

2. So Pappy states he not only attributes Noodles' blunder to... aww shucks, it's just Noods being Noods again. Pappy also feels her over-reaction to my vote was justified. We should all, therefore, just give Noodles a pass on whatever she does or says? I don't agree with that. She's no beginner and she not dim-witted. And she's just as crafty at this game as anyone else.

Why should we do that, Pappy? Noodles is well capable of taking a few votes or accusations in stride and lets them bounce right off. I know that's true, I've seen her do it many times. She's also good at giving as well as she gets. I see no good reason here why Noods should receive special consideration in this game any different than we'd give anyone else in a game like this.

3. Whether or not my vote served any purpose is not a debatable point for me. I'm not here soliciting everyone on whether they like it or not or whether or not they feel it had merit. The vote served my purpose for placing it....

I felt Noods jumped the gun because she found out she got to be evil. I wanted to vote her for that reason and see how Noods would react. Noodles' over-reaction reinforced the opinion I'd made and I think that's very telling. By placing that vote I also not only generated some Day 1 discussion, but I believe I may have flushed out some clues about the roles other players are in.

Whether anyone else agrees with me on this or not wasn't the issue here. I wanted some information early in the game. And I believe I got quite a lot to work with. So I'm happy about that. This is a real tricky format we're in and the town is up against some real slippery and subtle players.

It wasn't my intent to lead any charge from the start of the game to get Noodles lynched. That would be silly. No one jumped onto any train against Noodles... some people have taken either a bold stand defending Noodles, they're taking a low-key persistent position siding with her, or they're ignoring the whole thing as well as they can. For me, that's enough of a purpose all by itself because it's forced most people here to reveal something about their possible connection to someone I believe is on the scum team.. that they would not have done at all if I hadn't voted Noods when I did and for the reason I gave.

Then, having had my original suspicions confirmed by Noodles (and others) to my satisfaction, I withrew the vote expecting we'd go off onto other topics and look at other suspects.

this whole post bothers me...again! :thud:
apparently it is the issue with you and Labby

I honestly cannot say anyone is defending me (gee thanks!) but merely finding holes in your supposed concrete theory.

Pappy, whether a vote is random or not depends on what point in time you're looking at. Seriously, it's really hard for anyone to claim that a Day 1 vote made at the time of their very first post in a game is anything but random. Anyone who tried to state otherwise would get laughed out of the game. When I first saw this thread intending to post something at the start of the game, I didn't intend to vote for anyone at all with my initial post. Then I saw Noods posted early and I wondered about it. In the moment it took me to digest that.. think back to the reasons I'd made the same mistake... and decide yes it's totally within Noodles' character to get overly excited and distracted for the same reason I did... I then decided to explain that and vote her. I figured.. why not? It was a fairly random and arbitrary decision to make on the spot like that. So at the time my vote was placed... yes, I do consider it a random choice to make based on the connection I believe existed.

I expected Noodles would either just blow it off like usual (if innocent) or over-react to it (if scum). So in the time that's transpired since my vote was made, Noods' multiple responses and the reactions from others convinced me that I was on to something with that vote. That's what changed a random choice into something more serious.

but I thought my game play is different? or wait, it's the same...different/same...:thud:

now I have to get to work my boss will be in any minute now. I truly am tired of discussing this subject. If ya'll want to join Kash based on the theory I did the same thing that she did when she was evil, then knock yourselves out. My over medicated brain is tired. I would like to focus on other players but in all honesty Kash and Labby are acting the most suspicious IMO so the subject matter keeps going around. Ugh! right now my vote is on OD due to his vote and run....I have never played with him before so not sure if this is his style or not. it is day one so a lone vote does not bother me that much...yet. my vote may move to one of the two mentioned above before nightfall....

 

[the wizard]

UUUUUgggggghhhhhh!!!!!

Kash/noods/noods/kash!!!!

we have seen other things brought up but no one wants to talk about anything else.

I have to place my vote without any info to guide my decision.

Day 1 sucks!

Therefore since I won't be back before nightfall, (my work schedule sucks too)

I will go back to my earlier post where I called on the "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" attacking the player most likely to fold.

If more experienced players look into this and see merit, maybe we can get some good bush kicking going day 2.

If I am wrong, 1 vote doesn't mean much but prevents ud.

I vote to lynch DD

 

[the wizard]

oooops.

previous post incomplete. I haven't had enough coffee yet.

I was refferring to the badgering of Lab Rat over her theories and refusal to accept she may be wrong.

The "four horsemen" I refer to are Jpappy, Jb, DD, and Dawg.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Where is Annie? He spent more time posting an elaborate story in the sign up thread, but now that the game has started he makes a lone, non-helpful post and disappears.

 

[dirtydawg10]

You're making a lot of assumptions here Dawg...

I agree with your comment JB. But I did not say I am on board 100% with what LR is saying. What I said was I wanted to retract off of Kash and think about it some more. I also wanted to hear from more people about LR's theories. I mostly wanted to hear from Kash. From what Kash has posted since my retraction I would guess that Kash and LR do NOT both KNOW that Noods is evil. Kash says she suspects Noods and LR seems to know without a reasonable doubt that Noods is evil. I am really not sure which way my vote will go at this point.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Kash, I have a question. Can you explain why you "stuck your neck out" to go after Noods and continue to hammer her...yet your vote is on Coler? I think this is confusing several people or it may just be me who is confused.

 

[Kashta]

Twice you brought forth that your vote was random so Noodles shouldn't have reacted the way she did...but now you say it wasn't. You're contradicting yourself Kash. Also, if you're so sure that Noods is mafia then why vote Coler who is only a strong possibility of being connected? You say that if we can ID a mafia goon early that we should get rid of them asap...well, then why the wait with Noods?

In the highlighted text quoted above, Pappy, you've paraphrased my statement in a way that completely changes the meaning of what was said.

That's not a good way to present credible arguments.

I did not say if we're able to identify mafia goons early that we should "get rid of them" early. What I said was identifying who they are gives us the best possible advantage we can have. That is definitely NOT the same thing.

Here's my actual quote that you've somehow managed to completely misrepresent. Note the text there highlighted in blue. That's where I also gave reason WHY it's sometimes a better decision not to kill someone immediately even when you already know they're scum.

Our best chance to win this, therefore, is for us to avoid the usual early game pitfalls where the town spends the first few days offering up the lives of fellow townies for lynching in exchange for a few day's worth of voting patterns as clues. If we can identify a railroad goon early enough and get a reasonable feel for anyone else linked by association with that scummy player, we go into our early nightfalls with the best possible advantage we can have.

By asking me here, "why the wait with Noods?" as you've done in your post.... why would you ask me a question like that after you're the one who has omitted the answer I already provided?

You already had my answer to that question before asking it.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Mafia 66 NOTES

So far ive seen kashta jump on noods, noods got defensive, cole defended noods, LR defended kashta, JB defended noods, I defended noods in 1 post and think Kashta is scum for jumping on someone so soon in the game, no day 1 BS. LR said that scum would never do that on day 1, but then if that is true it would be a great way for scum to hide. Ya, one of my posts says that if u want me to change my lynch i mean make ur arguments b 4 4:00pm. IF U DONT I WONT BE ABLE TO READ THEM. Ok, by post #86 i realized that this is still day 1 people, we're supposed to be BSing each other, not coming up with big *** arguments...

WOW, day 1 is half over and im not a suspect yet. Note to self: DONT POST TOO MUCH!
Lab says she claims innocence when she is innocent, ha, she claimed the same thing (in more words and a roundabout way) last game and she was evil. NEVER CLAIM INNOCENT UNLESS U CAN BACK IT UP WITH POOF LAB! just a suggestion...
Post 107, Lab digs herself a grave... again...
AND she is over confidant, only the railroaders and secret council can be that sure. Well actualy only the Railroaders, the SC cant do that, they dont know who is on their farmer guys team.

Oh boy, I never even knew what Cole had posted LOL. Kash will prob be evil, or really bad good guy lol.

Im starting to think that both noods, kashta, and LR are innocent and confused lol.

Dawg is starting to make sense now, he is also baseing his whole theory off of Kash AND LR being immigrent workers...

Kashta pointed out how in one of my posts i misinterpreted what she said. Sorry Kash lol.

Kashta has *** of now made me think she is scum because she s defending herself WAY to much. Ima keep my vote on her.

Oh boy, i just got to noods mega post...

My response to this post

the evils are always more fun then the innocents...
you know, no one IS defending noods lol, Kashta really hit it big this time, and Noods is really digging a grave for herself...

Where the hell is Annie?! He just comes in day 1 posts 1 post, weird, he may UD, did he post a vote yet?

That has been NOTES, by FF1

 

[Fishfriend1]

To my above post

"Kashta has *** of now made me think she is scum because she s defending herself WAY to much. Ima keep my vote on her."

the *** is supposed to be as, not a-s-snake letter lol.